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Grounded Plug Installation: Phase Placement Standards and Regulations

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  • #1 8524243
    Trendzik
    Level 10  
    Hello.
    I have a question. If there is a grounded plug, the phase should be on the left or right side. The socket on the wall has a phase on the left side and I noticed that the plug has a brown (phase) wire on the right side.
    Is there a difference?
    Are there any standards or regulations that regulate a certain standard of installation performance?
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  • #2 8524248
    HeSz
    Electrician specialist
    This topic was "rolled" over and over again.
    Greetings.
  • #3 8524306
    jakubwaba
    Level 22  
    Most devices hang and flutter from which side they have the given phase. In the case of devices that require an appropriate phase and neutral connection, they are connected permanently, not with a plug.

    greetings
  • #4 8524345
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    Hello.

    Quote:
    The socket on the wall has a phase on the left side, and I noticed that the plug has a brown (phase) wire on the right side. Is there a difference? Are there any standards or regulations that regulate a certain standard of installation performance?
    In this country, nothing regulates it. You can easily buy cables terminated with a plug, where in one the brown wire will be connected to the contact on the right and in the other to the left.
    So full anarchy in this regard.

    As one of my colleagues mentioned, this topic was changed on the forum, so it's worth looking for.

    Quote:
    Most devices hang and flutter from which side they have the given phase.
    This is one of the effects of this anarchy.
  • #5 8524705
    HeSz
    Electrician specialist
    kkas12 wrote:

    As one of my colleagues mentioned, this topic was changed on the forum, so it's worth looking for.
    Quote:
    Most devices hang and flutter from which side they have the given phase.
    This is one of the effects of this anarchy.

    Once again - n-th- I will ask: what about a double horizontally mounted or a triple socket? Where is the "left" side and where is the "right" side? And what about Schuko sockets - which are more common in our country?
    greetings
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  • #6 8524730
    Akrzy74
    Rest in Peace
    Gentlemen, please ...
    We have discussed it many times - I refer the author to the search engine (e.g. Link ).
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  • #7 8524774
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    Hello!

    My friend HeSz anarchy has it to itself that it has its own rules.
    And their basis is the non-recognition of any rights.
    So your dilemma does not exist, because if you don't, you will always make it fit the demands of anarchy.
  • #8 8524936
    HeSz
    Electrician specialist
    kkas12 wrote:
    Hello!

    My friend HeSz anarchy has it to itself that it has its own rules.
    And their basis is the non-recognition of any rights.
    So your dilemma does not exist, because if you don't, you will always make it fit the demands of anarchy.

    My innate sense of the law has been called into question. Even a handicapped one - according to the principle of "Dura lex sed lex". in my opinion, this problem has nothing to do with anarchy. I have always said that the most important thing is that ALL SLOTS IN ONE FACILITY ARE CONNECTED THE SAME !!!! And you can check it on previous threads!
    Best wishes.
    Anarchist theorist. :D
  • #9 8524982
    Ture11
    Level 39  
    As far as I know, the phase should be connected to the connectors with the brown cable so that it appears on the left pin when looking at the socket with the ground pin at the top.

    This is of course not valid for lamps and other appliances with a non-earthed plug. For those with earthing, there is also no :-) .
    I mean, it is, but only for some.
  • #10 8525053
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    Hello!

    Despite the request of my friend Krzysztof, I will explain and attach photos.

    My friend HeSz You can't apply the Roman maxim when the law sucks. If in one object the sockets are connected in the same way and in the other, they should be connected well in one object and wrong in the other. This is an example of a law hole because nothing can be questioned as both are correct.
    It will also be correct when in one object, or even in one room, the phase will be on the left and on the other side of the socket.
    It only remains to refer to the principles of good work, i.e. the principle you mentioned.
    And the matter is very simple when looking at the socket we accept phase (phases), neutral and PE clockwise (as it is assumed in Europe).
    Grounded Plug Installation: Phase Placement Standards and Regulations
    Grounded Plug Installation: Phase Placement Standards and Regulations
    Grounded Plug Installation: Phase Placement Standards and Regulations

    And a tester to check the correctness of the connections.
    Grounded Plug Installation: Phase Placement Standards and Regulations

    But let law mean law.
  • #11 8525065
    stomat
    Level 38  
    There have been many quarrels about this. I would like someone to explain to me why any device would work incorrectly or not work at all if we swapped the N and L wires in the socket. But it does not matter. Well, unless someone is born in the military (put the socks on the left, the razor on the right - that is ch ... oh but the same :) .
    This is important when there is a fuse in the plug, as shown in the picture, but in Poland, fuse sockets are not used.
  • #12 8525077
    HeSz
    Electrician specialist
    buddy kas.
    You forgot to mention one. In the sockets you have attached pictures of, there is a clear L and N mark !!!!! And in Poland?
    And the photo shows: L, PE, N - according to the rule you give!
    Greetings.
  • #13 8525129
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    Hello!

    You finally got what I mean, buddy HeSz.

    My friend dent , but I hope you have come across receivers with internal security of their own?
    So what's the difference between the fuse in the plug and the fuse inside the receiver?
    What is the point of using colored markings of conductors in cables with a plug, since it is a matter of chance what they will be connected to.

    Or maybe it's time to identify which solution makes more sense?
    This freedom is applied in Poland without consequences and without any rules, or is it legal to assign a phase to a specific terminal in a socket?
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  • #14 8525249
    HeSz
    Electrician specialist
    kkas12 wrote:

    This freedom is applied in Poland without consequences and without any rules, or is it legal to assign a phase to a specific terminal in a socket?

    The standard in Poland applies only to industrial sockets. Unfortunately.
    And I figured it out about 30 years ago! Now I have a "slightly more philosophical" approach
    greetings
  • #15 8525744
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the installation standards for grounded plugs, specifically the placement of the phase wire in relation to the socket. Participants note that there are no strict regulations governing this aspect in their country, leading to inconsistencies where the phase can be connected either on the left or right side of the plug. The importance of uniformity in wiring across devices within the same facility is emphasized, as well as the potential confusion with different socket types, such as Schuko. The conversation highlights the lack of standardization and the implications of this "anarchy" in electrical installations, particularly regarding safety and functionality.
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