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Standards regulating the connection of wire colors to pins in molded plugs

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  • #1 19400351
    misiek1111
    Level 36  
    Standards regulating the connection of wire colors to pins in molded plugs

    The plugs are molded and have wires connected as in the picture.
    Is there a standard that regulates the connection of wire colors to the appropriate pin in this type of plugs?
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  • #2 19400433
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    There is no such thing as a legal standard.
    If the location of the phase and the N wire in the socket is not subject to any restrictions, i.e. it is arbitrary, there cannot necessarily be such a requirement in the case of a plug.
    To anticipate the next question, know that receivers connected with a plug cannot be sensitive to the polarization in the socket.
    And if you want to remove the casing of such a device, you must first remove the plug from the socket.
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  • #3 19400502
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #4 19400626
    misiek1111
    Level 36  
    In sockets, I know that there is no standard (apart from the contractual one), but plugs of this type always have the colors connected as in the photo.
    If producers maintain one standard, it must mean something. Well, unless all plugins come from PRC.
  • #5 19400670
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    There is no standard (not even contractual) regarding sockets.

    If you have brown and blue veins, one must be on the left and the other on the right. There is no other way. So don't look for any hidden standards here.
    This means that you will buy two cables with a plug, one with the brown wire on the right and the other on the left. And both will be ok.
  • #6 19400672
    stomat
    Level 38  
    Does not have to. There is no such standard. And why do you ask?
  • #7 19400694
    opornik7
    Electrician specialist
    kkas12 wrote:
    There is no standard (not even contractual) regarding sockets.

    Krzysiek, it is and its entry reads:
    "It may/may be chu... but all the same."
  • #8 19400732
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    But in this particular issue, there is no need to agree on the same (in the facility). :)
  • #9 19400756
    misiek1111
    Level 36  
    kkas12 wrote:
    This means that you will buy two cables with a plug, one with the brown wire on the right and the other on the left.

    But that's not the case. Of the approximately 20 wires I cut from various devices, all of them had the colors connected as in the photo, including those manufactured by Legrand.
    I understand that there is no such standard in Poland. Maybe there is a standard in the PRC and hence the uniformity.
    stomat wrote:
    And why do you ask?

    Standards regulating the connection of wire colors to pins in molded plugs
    There are, for example, splitters that disconnect only one wire using their buttons (I know, it's crap), so if the phase in the socket is on the left, the button will disconnect the N wire, which may end badly.
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  • #11 19400990
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    If you know more, please direct your question to the manufacturers of cables with plugs.
    Let them tell you what motivates them.

    And I assure you, the author of the thread, that there are photos on the forums of such wires where the places of the blue and brown wires are not the same,
    And it has no significance for the user.
  • #12 19401224
    E8600
    Level 41  
    The standard will not help much because there are grounded sockets without a pin (then the plug can be inserted in 2 positions).
    Standards regulating the connection of wire colors to pins in molded plugs
  • #13 19401246
    pla20
    Level 17  
    There is an unwritten rule that in sockets the phase should be on the left and 0 on the right.
  • #14 19401252
    BANANvanDYK
    Level 42  
    Meanwhile, in a neighboring country it is:
    Standards regulating the connection of wire colors to pins in molded plugs
    What should the manufacturer of the cable with plug do to ensure that the product meets ALL European standards?
    pla20 wrote:
    There is an unwritten rule that in sockets the phase should be on the left and 0 on the right.

    The theory is wrong. The standards of all other countries that accept sockets as polarized refer to the phase contact on the RIGHT side.
    But in Poland, sockets are considered unpolarized, which is why there are double sockets in which the polarity is reversed.
  • #15 19401740
    misiek1111
    Level 36  
    E8600 wrote:
    there are grounded sockets without a pin

    Schuko, of course, is standard in De and A, not in Pl.

    BANANvanDYK wrote:

    pla20 wrote:
    There is an unwritten rule that in sockets the phase should be on the left and 0 on the right.

    The theory is wrong. The standards of all other countries that accept sockets as polarized refer to the phase contact on the RIGHT side.
    But in Poland, sockets are considered unpolarized, which is why there are double sockets in which the polarity is reversed.


    Well, taking into account the above and the fact that some crappy devices cut off only one wire, the phase wire should be installed in the sockets on the right side.
    This would reduce hazards, despite the dual sockets that reverse polarity.
  • #16 19401831
    CYRUS2
    Level 43  
    misiek1111 wrote:
    This would reduce hazards, despite the dual sockets that reverse polarity.
    What are these threats?
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  • #17 19401874
    misiek1111
    Level 36  
    Phase connected to the device, despite apparent disconnection by a single-circuit switch:
    misiek1111 wrote:

    Standards regulating the connection of wire colors to pins in molded plugs
    There are, for example, splitters that disconnect only one wire with their buttons (I know, it's crap), so if the phase in the socket is on the left, the button will disconnect the N wire, which may end badly.
  • #18 19401890
    CYRUS2
    Level 43  
    Please show where the danger is.
  • #19 19401895
    E8600
    Level 41  
    If you have such a strip connected to a double pin socket, you can choose a safer plug but the phase will be disconnected (a test tube/phazer is enough).
    I have one such cheap strip myself and I don't see much of a threat in it.

    Electricity should be approached with limited trust and even with a decent power strip, if we fiddle with the device, we pull the plug out of the power strip.

    misiek1111 wrote:
    Schuko, of course, is standard in De and A, not in Pl.

    I know, I have one power strip and you can extend it with this system. Such sockets are gaining popularity due to their convenience.
  • #20 19401900
    BANANvanDYK
    Level 42  
    misiek1111 wrote:
    Schuko, of course, is standard in De and A

    Rather standard in most European countries, as well as Russia and Ukraine.
    CYRUS2 wrote:
    What are these threats?

    Most manufacturers consider the use of fuses, and some also switches, relays on the "conventional" phase wire inside the device made in protection class I. If the LN is damaged/short-circuited, this is not a problem. In the event of a breakdown of the "conventional" N to PE, which is actually the phase potential, the protections inside the device will not be activated, but the protections in the electrical installation must be activated. As a result, for example, the tracks on the board burn, which makes the device unsuitable for repair due to extensive damage to the PCB.
    Some devices have fuses on both power cables - then they are marked as ~ and ~, not as L and N. Bipolar switches and bipolar relays should be used correctly.
  • #21 19401960
    CYRUS2
    Level 43  
    BANANvanDYK wrote:
    the protections inside the device will not be activated, but the protections in the electrical installation must be activated. As a result, for example, the tracks on the disc get burned
    At a current of 12-14A, no fuse will trip.
    Also the 10A fuse in the strip and the paths will burn.
    A friend of mine checked which fuse would work faster in the event of a short circuit - a 10A fuse in the strip or a B16 fuse in the installation.
    B16 is faster.
    E8600 wrote:
    I have one such cheap strip myself and I don't see much of a threat in it.
    I share my colleague's opinion.
  • #22 19402260
    William Bonawentura
    Level 34  
    BANANvanDYK wrote:
    Meanwhile, in a neighboring country it is:
    Standards regulating the connection of wire colors to pins in molded plugs
    What should the manufacturer of the cable with plug do to ensure that the product meets ALL European standards?
    pla20 wrote:
    There is an unwritten rule that in sockets the phase should be on the left and 0 on the right.

    The theory is wrong. The standards of all other countries that accept sockets as polarized refer to the phase contact on the RIGHT side.
    But in Poland, sockets are considered unpolarized, which is why there are double sockets in which the polarity is reversed.


    You are all right.
    1) There is no REQUIREMENT to maintain the polarity in the CEE 7/5 socket and the protection against electric shock and fire in the receiver or extension cord cannot be based on a fixed order of wires.
    2) For practical reasons, a uniform arrangement is used in the installation and wiring of plugs. It is analogous to three-phase sockets. Going clockwise PE - phase contacts - N.
    3) For several dozen years, sockets in the construction industry of the Polish People's Republic were installed with the protective contact down and the installers, in accordance with the rule in point 2, connected the phase conductor from the left side. At that time, the devices were terminated with "straight" plugs.
    4) The introduction of angle plugs and floor sockets showed greater practicality of locating the protective contact upwards. For unknown reasons, some installers have not modified their assembly rules and still choose to connect the phase to the left pin.
  • #23 19402738
    BANANvanDYK
    Level 42  
    CYRUS2 wrote:
    At a current of 12-14A, no fuse will trip.
    Also the 10A fuse in the strip and the paths will burn.

    There is no board in the power strip - cables min. 1 mm², which should easily withstand the tripping current of a circuit breaker or fuse link.
    And I'm talking about a device with a 1-2 A fuse on the power supply and 2.5 mm wide tracks on the board, powered by a "unischuko" plug.
    William Bonawentura wrote:
    In the construction of the Polish People's Republic era, they were installed with the protective contact down

    Because it was another stupid idea of the Poles, with these inverted sockets. It's good that they withdrew from them quickly.
    William Bonawentura wrote:
    For unknown reasons, some installers did not modify their assembly rules

    But... I remember that the standards from the early '90s or training materials presented the correct way to connect the phase wire - L (phase) on the left side, even for double sockets. And again, by some miracle, things must be different in Poland than in the rest of the world.
  • #24 19402752
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    BANANvanDYK wrote:
    It's good that they withdrew from them quickly.
    Not so fast at all, since to this day there is a belief that it is only right to connect the phase on the left side of the socket.
    It was only right that the protective contact was located at the bottom of the socket. Today, when the PE contact has been moved to the top, the "rightness" of that time is no longer right.
    However, whether the phase is on the right or left side does not matter.
  • #25 19403100
    CYRUS2
    Level 43  
    BANANvanDYK wrote:
    And again, by some miracle, things must be different in Poland than in the rest of the world.
    He informs his friend that PN-HD standards apply in Poland. Harmonized with the EU.
    So don't let your friend tell you fairy tales that things must be different here than in the rest of the world.
  • #26 19403128
    Mierzejewski46
    Level 37  
    William Bonawentura wrote:
    For unknown reasons, some installers have not modified their assembly rules and still choose to connect the phase to the left pin.

    Well, in my own kitchen I installed it in the style of the Polish People's Republic.
    Standards regulating the connection of wire colors to pins in molded plugs
  • #27 19403164
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    Mierzejewski46 wrote:
    Well, in my own kitchen I installed it in the style of the Polish People's Republic.
    Now you need to look for appropriate angle plugs with a connection cable on the same side as the socket for the PE pin. Unless you don't mind this kind of flair.
  • #28 19403172
    Mierzejewski46
    Level 37  
    The toaster cable is constantly connected there, there is butter under the socket, and this is its place, and the cable was always soaking in the butter, as it was directed downwards, I turned the socket around and now it sticks upwards, bypassing the butter. According to my wife, changing the position of the plate with butter was out of the question, so I changed the position of the socket. The art of compromise has been successful. My wife's happiness above all else.
  • #29 19403177
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    Mierzejewski46 wrote:
    The art of compromise has been successful. My wife's happiness above all else.
    But probably neither your wife nor you, nor the toaster, cares which side of the socket the phase is on?

    Before dismantling the socket, did you check where the phase was, then after turning off the circuit, did you check it again (on both contacts, in case you made a mistake earlier) and then started working?
  • #30 19403437
    szarikmisza
    Level 11  
    This is probably a conventional rule. This rule is not followed by manufacturers of heating boilers and electric cookers, which require a service technician/installer with appropriate qualifications to properly install the plug on the cables, i.e. the phase cable where there is actually a phase, etc.

Topic summary

The discussion centers on the lack of formal standards regulating the connection of wire colors to pins in molded plugs, particularly in Poland. Participants note that while there is no legal or contractual requirement for the arrangement of wires, a common practice has emerged where brown and blue wires are connected consistently across various devices. Some users mention that devices should not be sensitive to the polarity of the socket, although there are concerns about safety when devices are improperly connected. The IEC 60320 standard is referenced, which outlines conventional polarity for connectors. The conversation also touches on the implications of incorrect wiring, particularly in devices like kettles and UPS systems, where the phase connection can affect safety and functionality. Overall, the consensus is that while there is no strict standard, a de facto uniformity exists among manufacturers, particularly those from China.
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