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Choosing Power Outlets: Type E or F (SCHUKO) for Apartment Installation - Ground Terminals

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  • #1 10041234
    fomadron
    Level 12  
    Hello!
    I am faced with the dilemma of choosing power outlets for my apartment. I usually didn't pay much attention to it, but I really liked the type F plugs because of the extra ground terminals. Now, however, I need to buy something for a new installation and I'm a little confused. We have type E. But when I looked at all the plugs I have with electrical equipment, they are either flat or type F. The question is, does it make sense to install sockets with a "pin" now when this standard is being replaced by SCHUKO? And have any of you managed to not plug something into the SCHUKO socket?

    Regards,
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  • #2 10042817
    KonradGatek
    Level 29  
    Schuko has two plaques on top and bottom.
    Uni-schuko still has a pin and is universal.
    You will connect everything on two nails ... But some plugs will not connect the protective conductors and will not be properly connected, although the "light bulb is on", so yes . In PL, a pin is accepted.
    conrad.
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  • #3 10042953
    Marsal20
    Level 13  
    With the Schuko system, you can reversely insert the plug into the socket, which is impossible with our pins.
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  • #4 10066365
    fomadron
    Level 12  
    The choice fell on F. And so all plugs are F. You can even buy E/F in the store, so no problem. All grounded and no beautiful pin ;-)

    A question about the difference. I have a TN-S installation. I dug through some posts on the forum and some network but I don't get one thing, namely connecting N with PE. Some diagrams show NPE - connection N with PE (http://www.bud-forum.pl/najlepsze-forum-budowlane/index.php/topic,57.0.html) on the inflow. Elsewhere it is written that N should not be combined with PE.

    I'm doing a new install. I have separate bedrooms, living room, kitchen, bathroom and household appliances. Initially, I wanted to make a differential for the bathroom and kitchen, but I read that one such fuse is installed for the entire installation. This makes things easier, because I have everything in one box, where there is a strip with terminals for L, N and PE. The only question is how to properly connect these "differential" in this my network?

    P.S. Yes, I know, electrician - he will receive the installation and check it. I'm just laying, connecting the wires and want to learn something along the way. Because I've mastered the use of the impact hammer to perfection ;-)

    Added after 22 [minutes]:

    hmm... in this document on page 5 http://www.sep.com.pl/opracowania/opracowania_systemy_rozw_instal_el_bud.doc there is a diagram of the protection of the receiving circuit, specifically the bathroom. It is clear from the diagram that the residual current protection works if all devices are connected to the ground - PE. The question is, in the case of protecting the electrical devices themselves, such as a washing machine, oven, fridge against overvoltages, and actually a person against electric shock, do I have to connect all metal elements to PE?...
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  • #5 10066455
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    Hello.
    Quote:
    Initially, I wanted to make a differential for the bathroom and kitchen, but I read that one such fuse is installed for the entire installation.

    You meant well, you read the nonsense, now you listen to them.
    Quote:
    It makes things easier, because I have everything in one box, where there is a strip with terminals for L, N and PE.
    That makes it worse, I suppose.
  • #6 10066530
    fomadron
    Level 12  
    Well, not really - I have two differentials ;-) I can even give a three, because it seems logical - to protect the circuit that exposes the user to electric shock. Everyone is knocking on the head when they see my 12U box in a three-room apartment ;-) But I don't like 3 fuses, one of which is for the light. I assume that in some time the demand for power may increase and my installation is already prepared for it. The old one would probably burn ;-) So if you can, help - because my electrician drinks too much and doesn't understand what N is. Last year he forgot to turn on the heating in the ventilation in the winter ....

    P.S. I perform the installation in accordance with the art - the left one is L / the right one is N. Connected WAGO cables as needed, etc. Do I have to report/ask for the acceptance of the electrical installation BEHIND the meter?
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