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Understanding the Role and Impact of a Second Axle in a 750kg GVW Trailer

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  • #1 8624913
    Krzychu87
    Level 10  
    Hello,
    This may be a stupid question for some, but I found it interesting.
    Namely: e.g. on Allegro, both single-axle and two-axle trailers are sold, both have a GVW of 750 kg. My question is what is the point of giving a second axis at all, since both are theoretically supposed to carry the same load. It would seem as if in the second case the second axis was simply redundant. Or maybe it's about the fact that you can charge a full-a two-axle, and one-axle - you have to be careful and you have to give much less.

    1. Question for experts and builders, what is the task of the second axis?
    2. Are the two-axle ones much more massive? i.e. can you load more? Where is the legal loophole here?
    I am asking for factual answers (I don't know, so I'm asking politely).
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  • #2 8625585
    Kapciaty
    Level 10  
    First of all, to drive with a two-axle trailer, you must have a category E driving license (B+E, C+E or D+E), if you have, for example, only B, you can only drive with a single-axle trailer.

    It is quite possible that the construction of two-axle trailers is more robust, but it depends on the manufacturer. Certainly, a two-axle trailer has better traction properties, a larger contact surface with the ground gives better grip, but you can expect higher fuel consumption (especially when driving empty). There are also higher operating costs, always these two wheels more.

    If you are asking which one can be overloaded more, as I have already written, it would depend on the manufacturer's design, but if I had to drive with an overloaded trailer, I would prefer to have two axles.

    Moderated By Błażej:

    Indicate the provision that states that you need a category E driving license to drive a two-axle trailer.

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  • #3 8628760
    toku74
    Level 31  
    [quote="Slippers"]First of all, to drive with a two-axle trailer, you must have a category E driving license (B+E, C+E or D+E), if you have, for example, only B, you can only drive with a single-axle trailer.

    chicken. a person learns all his life. I thought the regulation was about dmc, I have to look into the law.
    As for the trailer, I will say that I do not know why two axles are needed in a trailer up to 750 kg. maybe when the constructor was building, he said that one won't do it, but knowing the approach of our "alone" he built it just to load more. then kapciaty is right - exploitation is more expensive, because, for example, the tires "tear" during turns and maneuvers. if you think you won't reload then take a single. lighter in itself and if you have to pull it up by hand it's easier
  • #4 8636925
    Arton
    Level 16  
    the number of axles in the trailer has nothing to do with the DMC or driving license categories. A light trailer, i.e. with a DMC of up to 750 kg, may have one or more axles, as well as a trailer with a DMC of over 750 kg. 750kg. Driving license category b does not limit the driver to towing a trailer up to 750 kg. - Article 88 of the "Road Traffic Law"
  • #5 8637876
    Zico63
    Level 37  
    The two-axle is, despite its disadvantages, safer: the ride of such a trailer is more stable, it does not "snake" like the one-axle and the possible burst of an overloaded tire is not as dangerous.
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  • #6 8651995
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #7 9100738
    wnoto
    Level 34  
    And it's not that the biaxial is treated as uniaxial if the axes are close to each other (130 cm - but I don't know exactly what this size refers to)
  • #9 12973504
    siekieradek
    Level 11  
    I have a light trailer 550, it doesn't matter, but I would like to add a second axle to improve the driving properties, because on one axle there is no problem with a load of up to 0.8 t, but sometimes you have to carry 1.5 t and it is already unstable. Has anyone had a similar experience, I'm mainly talking about a change in the registration document.
  • #10 12974913
    toku74
    Level 31  
    ... sometimes you have to transport 1.5 t ...
    If so, and the trailer is pulled by a passenger car, it is an overrun brake.
  • #11 16641914
    maj46x
    Level 10  
    The two-axle trailer has one major disadvantage - maneuvering it without a car. In order to turn it, the support wheel should be set so high that the front wheels are lifted - which requires some effort when fully loaded. A wheel that is stretched too high also threatens to bend it. In my opinion, this is the biggest disadvantage - I recently bought a 750 GVW axle due to stability and safety and to attach it to the car (leave the yard, etc.) you have to make some effort ... moreover, the standard support wheels are airless and generate resistance, so I'm thinking about pumped wheel (there are even double ones). Perhaps the experts on the subject will have more to say on this subject.
  • #12 16642494
    bandi21
    Level 30  
    A two-axle trailer is much better than a single-axle. The load is mainly on the trailer and not on the car, which makes it easier to drive. It also reverses better. driving license, here the weight of the set is important and cannot exceed 3.5 tons. Driving a passenger car with a trailer without brakes overloaded to 1.5 tons may cause you not to stop.
  • #13 16643118
    marek49ae
    Level 24  
    bandi21 wrote:
    when it comes to the driving license, the weight of the set is important here and cannot exceed 3.5 tons
    Mistake. Total weight of the set - passenger car or truck with a GVW not exceeding 3.5 tonnes + trailer with a GVW not exceeding 750kg = 4250kg = driving license category B.
  • #14 16643188
    Staszek49
    Level 35  
    Another downside is the tires. Maybe this recipe is no longer valid, but you remember the trouble with the F-126p (the only one in the People's Republic of Poland) in which there had to be 4 tires with identical tread, and the axle distance was decisive. In the case of 2-axle trailers, it will probably be the same.
    We (as you can see) use poor tires for trailers, and with different treads and sizes.
  • #15 16643253
    bandi21
    Level 30  
    yes i agree with mark49ae.
  • #16 16643698
    wojciechjanusz
    Level 28  
    marek49ae wrote:
    bandi21 wrote:
    when it comes to the driving license, the weight of the set is important here and cannot exceed 3.5 tons
    Mistake. Total weight of the set - passenger car or truck with a GVW not exceeding 3.5 tons + trailer with a GVW not exceeding 750kg = 4250kg = driving license category B.

    Not entirely a mistake - there is a case limiting the GVW of the set to 3,500 kg with category B driving license.

    Regulations in Poland - regarding towing trailers - probably require the completion of studies on this subject.
    So: a set with a light trailer with a GVM up to 750kg at category B driving license may have a GVM of 4,250 kg, but with a heavy trailer o GVW over 750 GVW can only weigh 3,500 kg.
    If the referrer has a category B96 driving license, the set with a heavy trailer can have a GVW of 4,250 kg.
    More than 4,250 kg GVW of the set is always category B+E.

    wojciechjanusz wrote:
    LIST OF AUTHORIZATIONS AND CONDITIONS RELATING TO TOWING A TRAILER BY A PASSENGER CAR WITH A TOTAL WEIGHT OF UP TO 3,500 kg.

    Understanding the Role and Impact of a Second Axle in a 750kg GVW Trailer


    The column of the table "OPTIMAL EXAMPLES" are calculated in terms of achieving the highest GVW of the trailer. This makes it easier to evaluate, but in practice it will be rather difficult to achieve such a parameter...

    Of course, further, other restrictions apply. The permissible total weight of the trailer towed by the passenger car must not exceed the maximum towable weight specified for it
    vehicle by the manufacturer, the value of which is entered in the registration certificate. Also the coupling devices mounted on the car must have a homologated load value. In a whole series of successive dependencies and constraints the so-called "bottleneck principle" - that is, we have the largest towed weight limit.

    Since the preparation of the table requires the use of many provisions scattered over several Acts and Regulations, the table may need to be supplemented with additional elements. I am counting on the constructive help of colleagues here...
    The main legal acts taken into account during the preparation of the table are:
    - Act on Drivers of Vehicles
    - The Road Traffic Act
    - Ordinance of the Minister of Transport on the rules of the exam for driving license category B
    - Regulation of the Minister of Infrastructure on the technical conditions of vehicles and the scope of their necessary equipment.

    With regard to the old regulations before the amendment, the main change consists in the possibility of towing a heavy trailer with a category B driving license with a GVW of more than 3,500 kg, but not more than 4,250 kg. In this case, a B+E driving license is not required, but you must pass the exampractical (inscribed in the driving license as category B96) .
    Also, the existing regulations on vehicle drivers allowed to tow a combination with a light trailer with a total GVW of 3,500 kg. The fact that such a set could be towed with a total GVM of 4,250 kg resulted from the provisions of the Vienna Convention, to which Poland joined. There was an obvious contradiction and ... constant discussions with the police on the road what can be done. The current provision of the Act clearly increases the GVW of such a set to 4,250 kg.
    The requirement that with a category B driving license, the GVW of the trailer cannot be greater than the curb weight of the towing vehicle has disappeared.
    ===============
    The general conclusion is that the regulations are already so complicated that perhaps doctoral studies are not needed yet, but a cheat sheet and a calculator are for sure. So I am not surprised that policemen on the road get lost in this and do not know how and what to control and check.
    In addition - to make it even more difficult - there are other restrictions for trucks and off-road vehicles.


    There are other requirements, e.g. paragraph 3, p.7 of the technical requirements says: "A combination of vehicles consisting of a passenger car and a trailer, loaded to
    values of the maximum weights, should move at least 5 times in 5 minutes up a hill with a slope of 12%." Hm ... I wonder how the person who invented this regulation imagines its enforcement?
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  • #17 16643710
    bandi21
    Level 30  
    These regulations came into force in 2014 and before that 3.5 t was always the upper limit.
  • #18 16643996
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    Previously, it was not possible to drive with a trailer other than a light one on B. Now I can tow a heavy trailer with a GVW of 1,300 kg with the Octavia 1.9TDI, and since I fit in the GVW of 3,500 kg of the car and the trailer (10 kg to the limit), I can drive it on a cat. .B
  • #19 16644232
    wojciechjanusz
    Level 28  
    bandi21 wrote:
    These regulations came into force in 2014 and before that 3.5 t was always the upper limit.
    Not entirely either. The regulations were simply inconsistent with the Geneva Convention signed by Poland, which was therefore in force in Poland.
    And according to the Convention, it was possible to tow a light trailer in a set with a total GVW of 4,250 kg. The police approached the subject differently, and the courts interpreted the situation differently.
    This is the best example of the approach to the legal order in Poland.

    Added after 6 [minutes]:

    tzok wrote:
    Previously, it was not possible to drive with a trailer other than a light one on B. Now I can tow a heavy trailer with a GVW of 1,300 kg with the Octavia 1.9TDI, and since I fit in the GVW of 3,500 kg of the car and the trailer (10 kg to the limit), I can drive it on a cat. .B
    In my opinion (I don't want to go through the old regulations anymore and refer to them) it was possible. This is also due to my old, over 10 years ago, consultations with the Legal Office of the Police Headquarters - I was writing an article for "Koń Polski" at that time about towing trailers for transporting horses. All these trailers - two- and one-horse - are heavy trailers, but it turned out that it was possible to tow a one-horse trailer under certain conditions with a category B driving licence.

    The two main changes introduced in the regulations are the formalization in Polish internal regulations of what the signed Geneva Convention obliges Poland to do, and the introduction of a category B96 driving license, which is mainly aimed at facilitating and popularizing camping tourism.

    Currently, the problem of the lack of specifying the nature of electric brakes in trailers in the technical requirements of vehicles is growing. These are not overrun brakes (which, after all, are formally only an exception allowed for use), but with a certain construction they are brakes controlled from the cabin of the towing vehicle. American and some European electric constructions meet the requirement of operation similarly to air brakes and are formally approved for traffic (then the DMC of the set is up to 7,000 kg ). Polish regulations on this subject are silent as if under a spell. Maybe in ten years someone will wake up...

Topic summary

The discussion centers on the advantages and implications of having a second axle in a 750kg GVW trailer. Key points include the necessity of a category E driving license for towing two-axle trailers, improved stability and traction properties of two-axle designs, and potential for higher load capacity despite both trailer types being rated for the same GVW. Participants noted that two-axle trailers may incur higher operational costs due to increased tire wear and fuel consumption. Legal considerations were also discussed, highlighting that trailers with a GVW over 750kg require brakes, and that the classification of trailers does not solely depend on their GVW. The conversation also touched on the challenges of maneuvering two-axle trailers without a vehicle and the implications of regulations on towing capacities.
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