Difference between a T and a B + E driving license

Hello. I have a dilemma whether to pass a tractor or a car license plus a tow truck, what do you say? The basket is the same.
What are the pros and cons. What are the rights with this and the latter ???
Please, if you are not sure, better not write what to make a fuss !!

Maybe you'll laugh at me, but I have to make sure, I heard something like this from a friend: a B + E driving license gives you permission to drive a tractor with two trailers and I can drive on my farm, and if I would like to work for someone as a tractor driver, I probably can't. that, how would these tractor licenses expire if I would like to work on a tractor for someone?
And one more category T gives permission to drive with two trailers or one ???

Category B + E entitles you to drive only the tractor. You cannot drive a tractor with a trailer in this category. Category T entitles you to drive a tractor with trailers, because in the exam you drive a tractor with a trailer on the square - parking with a trailer attached at the front and rear. T entitles you to drive with two trailers - you would have to see the Highway Code.
I do not know what is the case when you have a T or then you can drive on B with trailers above the GVW specified in the proof - e.g. a tow truck - you must have B + E for it.

Domin902 wrote:

Hello. I have a dilemma whether to pass a tractor or a car license plus a tow truck, what do you say? The basket is the same.
What are the pros and cons. What are the rights with this and the latter ???
Please, if you are not sure, better not write what to make a fuss !!

Maybe you'll laugh at me, but I have to make sure, I heard something like this from a friend: a B + E driving license gives you permission to drive a tractor with two trailers and I can drive on my farm, and if I would like to work for someone as a tractor driver, I probably can't. that, how would these tractor licenses expire if I would like to work on a tractor for someone?
And one more category T gives permission to drive with two trailers or one ???

Buddy, maybe take a look at the Highway Code ...
A category B driving license entitles you to drive ANY motor vehicle, except a motorbike, as long as it does not exceed the total weight of 3.5T.
This category also entitles you to drive the tractor itself.
You have a basic Category B restriction for trailers. The weight of the vehicle with the trailer may not exceed 3.5T, and the trailer itself may not exceed the weight of the towing vehicle. Even with the B + E category - this restriction applies to you. Category E is only an extension that allows towing other trailers than light ones.
In T category, you are limited to tractor-trailer and slow-moving vehicles only, but you have no tonnage limit.
Briefly - With a B + E, you can only drive an empty trailer behind the tractor.
They have a T, you cannot drive other vehicles (unless you have other categories).
So if you want to be a tractor driver - you must have a T, because with a tractor itself, you won't do much, unless he pulls Matiza out of the snow. :)

Of course, you can do B and then C + E and you won't need a T anymore.
C has no tonnage limit for the team weight.

"Madrik" thanks for such a comprehensive explanation.
I have just looked at the first better code on the Internet and I managed to read that T authorizes me to drive a tractor with a trailer (trailers) or a slow-moving vehicle and B + E authorizes me to do the same, except for a slow-moving vehicle. otherwise-massacre.

Domin902 wrote:

"Madrik" thanks for such a comprehensive explanation.
I have just looked at the first better code on the Internet and I managed to read that T authorizes me to drive a tractor with a trailer (trailers) or a slow-moving vehicle and B + E authorizes me to do the same, except for a slow-moving vehicle. otherwise-massacre.

I do not know where you read it, but on "B" you can legally drive low-speed vehicles on public roads (to work them, you need additional qualifications, eg an excavator operator).

The whole catch is only in the unfortunate 3.5T, and the trailer's weight is limited to the tug's weight, and the whole thing must not exceed these 3.5T.
And as you can guess, an agricultural trailer with a load of e.g. beetroot rarely weighs less.
That's why you have T - heavy but very slow vehicles that are very easy to control at 25 km / h. ;)

Of course, the regulations were made near Ursus, because today excavators are faster on the road than Maluchów and tractors are able to run a speed camera by the road, so this is a relative thing.

Just tell yourself what these "light" trailers are.
Two porkers or a bundle of hay with a scythe. Add to this that such a "light" trailer cannot have more than one axle, or two axles, not more than a meter apart. These definitions are in the code. So a typical "ladder" wagon, or a crops trailer, falls off the rails.
Besides, there was an exception that the holder of the T category could drive a tractor with a trailer adapted to transport people - the only case when it is allowed to transport a larger number of people, without the "D" license. I do not know if this is still in force, because it was created specifically for the transport of people to work in state-owned farms or in the countryside, and maybe such a transport has survived somewhere. Something like this cannot be done by a person B + E, or even C + E.

Besides, I found such information that you can do two categories at once, for example T and B. Then you have shorter training time and lower fees than when doing everything separately.
T - it would be useful for you to work as a tractor driver and it would be the fastest way to obtain the required qualifications, and B is always useful to you personally and gives you more options, because apart from the tarktor, you can also drive a van to get supplies or drive your boss in a limousine
B + E, no point in doing unless you plan to do caravanning during your vacation.

B + E = T and finally, in the case of an agricultural tractor there are no tonnage limitations. Personally, I work on a farm and harvest the grain from the field with URSUS 1634 with two HL kami, the whole set with full trailers weighs about 28 tons and I ride on B + E.

And I used to drive a truck on B. And what? Does this mean that I am allowed to drive a truck on B or not? Of course not.
Category B has a tonnage limit of 3.5T. The end. Even with a trailer.
If you carry a load exceeding this limit - then you do it until the first inspection.
However, category T has no tonnage limitations. i You should carry cargo under this category.
If you do otherwise - you do it until the first document check. ;)

And lest it be just speculation, please:

Wymagania i warunki uzyskiwania prawa jazdy określonej kategorii, określa ustawa z dnia 20 czerwca 1997r. "Prawo o ruchu drogowym" (t.j. Dz. U. Nr 108 z 2005 r., poz. 908) oraz rozporządzenie Ministra Infrastruktury z dnia 14 grudnia 2001r. wrote:

category B + E, C + E - authorizes to drive a vehicle specified in category B or C, as appropriate , including a trailer

Since you cannot drive a category B vehicle with a GVM over 3.5T, you are harvesting without the required qualifications. If you do not want to contribute to the voivodeship budget - Better make yourself a T.

To clarify, my colleague, PORD: SECTION IV, Chapter 1, Article 88, Point 3, reads as follows:
3. Driving license:
1) categories B and C + E or B and D + E - authorizes to drive a set of vehicles specified in category B + E;
2) categories C + E and D - authorizes to drive a set of vehicles specified in category D + E;
3) category A, B, B1, C, C1, D or D1 - entitles to drive the vehicle replaced with a light trailer;
4) categories B + E, C + E, C1 + E, D + E or D1 + E - authorizes to drive an agricultural tractor with a trailer (trailers).

Before I did B + E, I conducted an environmental interview with the head of OSK, WORD, the information department of the Provincial Police Headquarters in Gdańsk: the tonnage in this case refers to motor vehicles
[(33) motor vehicle - a motor vehicle, the structure of which enables the vehicle to travel at a speed exceeding 25 km / h; this term does not include an agricultural tractor;]
your truck and every passenger car are a motor vehicle and a farm tractor is not. Besides, there is no mass division of tractors. Therefore, I say that when driving a 28-tonne combination of a farm tractor and two trailers, I am not breaking the rules.

http://lex.pl/serwis/du/2005/0908.htm - I recommend the entire study

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And besides, also Article 88, point 2
"2. The driving license entitles you to drive:
...
9) category T - an agricultural tractor with a trailer (trailers) or a slow-moving vehicle; "
point 3
"3. Driving license:
...
4) categories B + E, C + E, C1 + E, D + E or D1 + E - entitles to drive an agricultural tractor with a trailer (trailers). "


Regarding the agricultural tractor, the definition of categories T and B + E are identical.

You're partially right.
B + E entitles you to drive an agricultural tractor with a trailer .... But the above-mentioned regulation, which is in the same article, shows that although the B + E driving license entitles you to drive a tractor with a trailer, it is still subject to tonnage restrictions.

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b) authorization to drive:
- category B - a vehicle with a maximum permissible weight not exceeding 3.5 tonnes and a combination of vehicles consisting of a special and special purpose vehicle and a special and special purpose trailer with a permissible total weight not exceeding the mass of the special and used for special purposes trailer with a permissible total weight not exceeding the unladen mass of the vehicle provided that the total permissible total weight of the combination of these vehicles does not exceed 3.5 tonnes and a special slow-moving vehicle,

The B + E authorizes you to drive the vehicle with the specified trailer in category B ,
It also entitles you to drive a tractor with a trailer, but - it does not abolish the previous restrictions resulting from the category B itself. The regulation says that B + E are vehicles specified in category B with an additional trailer. And Category B says clearly: 3.5T GVW and not an extra gram.

So you can drive an agricultural tractor with a trailer, provided that the weight of the trailer does not exceed the weight of the tractor, and the entire set does not have a GVM greater than 3.5T.

If it were otherwise, there would be a provision that Category B + E entitles you to drive vehicles specified in Category T. There is no such provision. There is a provision that you are allowed to drive a specific vehicle (tractor with trailer), but it does not allow you to exceed the above-mentioned 3.5T DMC. Because a tractor with a trailer may have a GVM below 3.5T and you are allowed to drive such a combination. Set above - no.

Category B allows you to drive vehicles from category B with trailers, provided that they meet the conditions set out in this category as above. So the trailer's GVM cannot be higher than that of the towing vehicle. So a 1.75T vehicle can tow a trailer with a GVM of 1.75T.
E allows you to tow a trailer with a GVM of 2.5T in a 1T vehicle.
The end. You can drive a tractor with a trailer, but the GVM of the tractor and trailer together must not be higher than 3.5T.

And this is the difference from B + E and T. There is no record equating these categories.
The vehicle you are allowed to drive is listed, but under B + E. Category B + E must not exceed the entitlements of category B. And this has a GVM limit of 3.5T.
And that is why there is an additional category T - Tractor and trailer but WITHOUT tonnage limitations. The whole profit from B + E is that you are allowed to tow trailers with a GVM greater than the tractor's GVM . But - the weight of the set cannot exceed 3.5T .

If there are specialists in your WORD who do not understand this, it is better to do the right for the future in another center.

Man, don't upset me, you have no idea about the regulations as evidenced by you still arguing with me, it's exactly as I wrote, let it go because you're wrong.
although I had no control while driving on B + E with trailers, but when I only had B, I was driving to the field with a Ursus 1224 tractor with a seed drill (the weight of the tractor itself is about 6 tons, which is clearly indicated in the proof) and I did not stop at a railroad crossing which was obligatory, a policeman leaned out from the street nearby and stopped me (I didn't get a ticket for that, because the railroad tracks were crowded and the visibility was also good), he checked the documents and didn't stick to anything,
So how only to 3.5 tons if the tractor I was driving weighed a lot more and I will not mention the US aggregate!
in order not to be groundless, please read it with understanding:

"3) category B:
and) by a motor vehicle with a maximum permissible weight not exceeding 3.5 t, except for a bus or a motorcycle,
b) the vehicle referred to in point. a, with a trailer with a maximum permissible weight not exceeding the unladen weight of the towing vehicle, provided that the total permissible total weight of the combination of these vehicles does not exceed 3.5 t,
c) an agricultural tractor or a slow moving vehicle; "

by definition, an agricultural tractor is not a motor vehicle, as I wrote to you earlier

"33) motor vehicle - a motor vehicle, the construction of which enables the vehicle to travel at a speed exceeding 25 km / h; this term does not include an agricultural tractor; "

and B + E as well as deign to mark

"4) category B + E, C + E, C1 + E, D + E or D1 + E - entitles to drive an agricultural tractor with a trailer (trailers) . "

END AND PERIOD

By the way, where does it say that B + E has a limit of 3.5t? As far as my eye is concerned, it's not there.

Madrik wrote:

The B + E authorizes you to drive the vehicle with the specified trailer in category B ,
It also entitles you to drive a tractor with a trailer, but - it does not abolish the previous restrictions resulting from the category B itself. The regulation says that B + E are vehicles specified in category B with an additional trailer. And Category B says clearly: 3.5T GVW and not an extra gram.

Well, why the hell to do E, if you think cat. E hates entries from cat. B?

Corner. B + E are doing just on tow trucks, what cars could be pulled, and such a set for the People's China in 3.5T will not fit.

Note that this category is about trailer weights.

3rd category B:
1. a motor vehicle with a maximum permissible weight not exceeding 3.5 t, except for a bus or a motorcycle,
2. the vehicle referred to in point 3.1, with a trailer other than light, with a permissible total weight not exceeding the tare weight of the towing vehicle, provided that the total permissible total weight of the combination of these vehicles does not exceed 3.5 t,
3. the vehicle referred to in point 3.1 with a light trailer,
4. by microbus, if it has up to 9 seats,
5. an agricultural tractor or a slow-moving vehicle,

And this is not about any masses:

10 category B + E, C + E or D + E - a vehicle defined in category B, C or D, as appropriate, including a trailer,

Przemo9826 wrote:

And this is not about any masses:

10 category B + E, C + E or D + E - a vehicle defined in category B, C or D, as appropriate, including a trailer,

In this category, the weight of the trailer is entered in the vehicle ID.

Quote:

Art. 62. 1. Actual total weight of the trailer towed by:

1. a passenger car, a truck with a maximum permissible weight not exceeding 3.5 t or a bus - cannot exceed the actual total weight of the towing vehicle;

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Category

B light trailer - 3,500 dmc, capacity + max. 750 kg trailer = 4250 kg

B heavy trailer, area 750 kg - total dmc capacity And trailers up to 3500 kg (trailer GVW less than or equal to the vehicle GVW)

B + E any trailer with 3500 GVW, capacity + trailer = max 7,000 (GVW of the trailer smaller or equal to the GVW of the vehicle)

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Art 88, paragraph 3, point 4 of the Highway Code Cat B + E gives the full range of cat T (in the territory of the Republic of Poland), but vice versa, NO, i.e. category T does not give category B + E rights. A license for a tractor with trailers (T) is not a typical category of a driving license and is interpreted differently in each country, in Poland it is closely related to the driving license, but it may be different elsewhere. There are no weight limits for a set with two trailers. (they used to be but are no longer there)

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jehowy wrote:

By the way, where does it say that B + E has a limit of 3.5t? As far as my eye is concerned, it's not there.

On b + e the actual mass of the trailer may be less than or equal to the actual mass of the towing vehicle. The trailer may have even greater GVM than the towing vehicle, but in fact, together with the load, it must weigh NO MORE than the towing vehicle. But only a trailer with an air brake, a vehicle towing a trailer with an overrun brake is to constitute 1.33 of the trailer's mass, a light trailer without brakes is to constitute 50% of the towing vehicle's own weight, but not more than 750 kg, it results from the ministerial decree

good morning everyone.
A bit fresh about the topic. because I came here by accident and I have a license to T.
Well, in the law I also have cat B. but it does not matter.
I used to wonder if it should not be in the T + E law so long ago my friend suggested? (from what I knew at that time, I can ride a tractor with trailers and that's it ...).

that is, I want to be 100% sure, having category T in the license (driving with a trailer, etc.), then I can drive with trailers and that's the end of it.

Thank you in advance for your response.

and by the way, having cat T, what kind of vehicles can I drive ??

having a T category, you can drive slow-moving vehicles + a tractor with two trailers at the maximum without restrictions in weight, of course, adjusted to a given type of set. It is a bit stupid that B and T do not entitle to B + E, but this is the present law. Stupid legal instruments (regulations) but legal instruments, the doctor should also say: rusty surgical instruments, but still tools - I'll do operations with them.

Hello.
The gentlemen on the B + E training course were explained in this way:
category B allows towing a trailer of the same type as GVM is entered in the registration book, but the GVM of this unit will not exceed 3.5 T.
You can drive an agricultural tractor without trailers.

category B + E allows towing a trailer with a vehicle with a GVM of 3.5 T plus a trailer with a GVM that is entered in its registration certificate, i.e. the total GVM of such a set can be up to approx. 6 T.
When it comes to an agricultural tractor, you can tow a trailer (trailers) with a GVM which is entered in the agricultural tractor registration certificate, e.g. my Vladimir weighs approx. 1800 kg but in the registration certificate it is stated that he can tow a trailer with a GVM 5500 kg, i.e. 5.5 T. Here I do not go into the technical details of the team, such as brakes, etc.
Let's read the entries in the registration certificate and the regulations on driving licenses. For example, the C360 can tow a trailer (trailers) with a DMC of 8 or 9 T. I don't remember exactly. I have a B + E category and my Władimirek is towing the trailer to order. 3.5 T with a GVM of 5 T, it is entered in the registration certificate and it is in accordance with the regulations.
Corner. B also authorizing me to drive slow-moving vehicles, e.g. combine harvesters or other self-propelled agricultural machines with a perm. speeds of 15 km / h, i.e. slow-moving vehicles. (This is due to the definition)

It entitles you to "drive" a slow-moving vehicle, but does not authorize you to work with such a vehicle, nor does it grant additional entitlements to these vehicles.

You can ride a roller, but you cannot lay asphalt with it, without the appropriate qualifications. You can drive the tractor in the same way, but with GVM restrictions in place for categories B and B + E. Category T, on the other hand, has additional possibilities in this regard. Therefore, there are two different categories, not one.

To Madrik.
Provide the legal basis for your arguments. In several posts, users quote (cite) road traffic regulations, including that a farm tractor is not a motor vehicle and others concerning GVM from categories B and B + E. By specifying GVM, you close everything up to 3500 kg. It is not so. In the B + E category, you are authorized to drive a motor vehicle with a GVM up to 3500 kg plus a trailer with a GVM of approx. 3000 kg, so you can drive such a set of vehicles with a GVM of about 6500 kg. Exactly in the registration certificate of each vehicle you have written which trailer can be towed. The registration certificate of each tractor also has an entry about the GVM of the trailer (trailers) that can be towed and I, with the B + E license, can drive the team as specified in the T category, that is, with both low and high power tractors.

Yes, but tractors are different. Not everyone is a little "Ursus". I wrote that with B + E, you also have tonnage limitations resulting from this category. Even if the tractor could pull 100 tons, you must not exceed the 3500 kg for the trailer.
Because you have it clearly written in the terms of this category: A trailer with a GVM up to 3500 kg. There is no record of "total team weight". B imposes vehicle restrictions, B + E - trailers. What you are talking about is "taking full advantage of" the possibilities. But it cannot be summed up and drive a tractor with a GVM of 1 T + trailers with a GVM of 5 T.

Someone with a "T" category, there are no such restrictions. They only result from the approval of the given type of tractor. It may seem like butter, but it really is a significant difference.

If, for example, you want to work as a tractor driver, it is better to make an additional "T".
And trailers pulled by tractors, as a rule, have a GVM of much more than 3.5 tons.
How to collapse such a "four-wheeler" with beets on the pyramid, there is a bit of weight.

The fact that the tractor is not a motor vehicle is irrelevant, because the conditions "B + E" and "B" entitle to drive a farm tractor ".

After which you have an additional condition - for a trailer that you can tow. There it no longer says "farming trailer".
You can, for example, attach a tow truck to a tractor, but not necessarily a grain trailer.

In this respect, only "C + E" gives you the full possibilities of the "T" category.
But the latter is easier and cheaper to do.
Therefore, if someone is a farmer, the same R&D is not necessarily a good solution for him. Unless he drives the cows to the market in a car with a trailer. But it is also worth extending it to "T".

You are wrong and otherwise misleading. If I want to work in agriculture in Germany and drive an agricultural tractor with a trailer (trailers) there, I must have a Polish driving license of the B + E category, because the Polish T category is valid only in Poland, abroad is invalid. There is no tonnage of 3500 kg. Learn more and know that the difference between T and B + E is that you can get a T category driving license from the age of 16 and all other T and B + E licenses are the same.
You create new theories about the DMC limitations of agricultural tractors and their trailers.

First of all, the issue of entitlement to drive vehicles is no longer regulated by the PoRD, but by a separate Act on Vehicle Drivers. So the quotes given earlier are no longer valid, they do not apply, these regulations have been repealed.

At the moment it looks like this:

Quote:

Art. 6.
1. The driving license states that you are authorized to drive:
...
6) category B:
a) a motor vehicle with a maximum permissible weight not exceeding
with a length of 3.5 tons, with the exception of buses and motorbikes,
b) a combination of vehicles composed of the vehicle referred to in point (a). a, and
from a light trailer,
c) a combination of vehicles composed of the vehicle referred to in point (a). a, and z
a trailer other than a light trailer, provided that the total permissible total weight of the
the set of these vehicles does not exceed 4,250 kg, subject to paragraph 2,
d) vehicles specified for the category AM driving license;
...
11) category T:
a) an agricultural tractor or a slow-moving vehicle,
b) a combination of vehicles consisting of an agricultural tractor with a trailer (for
semi-trailers) or a slow-moving vehicle with a trailer (trailers),
c) vehicles specified for the category AM driving license;
12) category B + E, C + E or D + E - a vehicle specified in
knows driving categories B, C or D. / that is, looking a dozen or so lines higher -
a motor vehicle, tractors it does not apply / ,
including trailer (s), with
which in terms of category B + E is the permissible towable total weight
the trailer cannot exceed 3.5 tons;
...
/ tractors are only mentioned here: /
3. In the territory of the Republic of Poland, the driving license:
1) categories B, C1, C, D1 and D authorizes to drive an agricultural tractor,
a slow-moving vehicle and a set consisting of this vehicle and
lightweight caps;
2) categories B + E, C1 + E, C + E, D1 + E and D + E authorizes to lead a team
vehicles consisting of an agricultural tractor with a trailer (s) or
slow-moving vehicle with trailer (s);

And here there is no limit to the weight of the trailer.

And I have a question:
Is it true, I read somewhere on an internet forum that having a category B driving license - you can drive agricultural tractors?

Maybe read this whole thread first, because here's the answer to that question.

sb1956 wrote:

And I have a question:
Is it true, I read somewhere on some internet forum that having a category B driving license - you can drive agricultural tractors.

And have you read what it says in the description of this category?
Act on vehicle drivers - Journal of Laws no. May 17, 2013, item 151. Article 6, paragraph 1, paragraph 6.

I will add that I cited 3 posts earlier.

After analyzing Article 6.1 point 6, with a category B driving license, you can drive an agricultural tractor, the limit is the total weight of 4250 kg.
And here is the problem, because only the tractor itself can be driven without a trailer, because with a (empty) trailer it exceeds the permitted total weight.