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Boiled Water in Central Stove: Insulation and Cable Meltdowns, Temp Discrepancy, Pump Issues

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How do I fix a central-heating stove after the water boiled above 100°C and melted the insulation/cables, and could the pump or temperature sensor be damaged?

The most likely problem is that the installation boiled off water into the expansion/overflow path, the pump may have run dry and seized, and the controller sensor may now read incorrectly because it got thermally isolated or damaged by the melted insulation [#9079803][#9080215][#9081641] Turn the stove and pump off, refill the system slowly until it overflows, then bleed the radiators and check the cable for a short circuit [#9079803] A loud growling pump is consistent with a seized plain bearing or dry-run damage, so it may need replacement rather than repair [#9081875][#9083596] The temperature difference you see can come from the sensor no longer sensing the pipe properly after the insulation melted, so inspect that sensor position first [#9081641] Other replies note that boiling water in a coal-fired stove installation should not by itself destroy anything, and such boiling can happen when the stove is loaded hard and the heat cannot be removed fast enough [#9081581][#9196531]
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    julka2010
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    stanislaw1954
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    The bubbling sound is more like boiling water. And how should we understand the extinguishing of the furnace? Have you stopped adding fuel or maybe closed all the doors? Simply opening the radiator valves will not reduce the temperature on the stove from 80-90* in a short time if there is no circulation because there is less water in the system.

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around issues encountered with a central heating stove system, particularly after boiling water exceeded 100 degrees Celsius. Users report melted insulated pipes and cables, a malfunctioning central heating pump, and discrepancies in temperature readings between the oven thermometer and the controller. Concerns are raised about potential damage to the pump due to running dry and overheating, as well as the possibility of warranty claims. Suggestions include checking for air in the system, ensuring proper water levels, and considering the installation's design. Users also discuss the need for pump replacement and the implications of warranty coverage when opening the pump for inspection.
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TL;DR: A 25-40-180 circulator moves up to 3.5 m³/h and “the pump is cooled with water and without water it could seize” [Elektroda, DUDAŚ, #9079562; Elektroda, Piotr77777, #9080215]. Boiling usually spares the boiler, but a dry-running pump or blocked vent can fail. Why it matters: Knowing the weak spots avoids another midnight melt-down.

Quick Facts

• Circulator 25-40-180: 0.2–3.5 m³/h flow, 3.8 m head, +2 to +110 °C fluid [Elektroda, DUDAŚ, post #9079562] • Blower WPA120: 255 m³/h airflow, 345 Pa pressure, 75 W input [Elektroda, DUDAŚ, post #9079562] • Max system pressure: 10 bar (spec plate) [Elektroda, DUDAŚ, post #9079562] • Pump prices: budget ~100 PLN; Grundfos ≈220 PLN [Elektroda, Piotr77777, post #9085002] • Polish PN-91/B-02413: ≥12 l expansion per kW heat load [PN-91/B-02413]

1. Why did the pipe insulation and controller cables melt?

Steam leaving the boiler exceeded 100 °C; surface temperatures near the flue often hit 140 °C before pressure lifts the safety lid. Typical foam insulation softens above 90 °C, so it deformed first, then radiant heat attacked nearby PVC cables that soften at 80 °C [Elektroda, DUDAŚ, post #9079562]

2. Is it normal for a solid-fuel boiler to boil?

Manufacturers allow occasional boiling; cast-iron sections tolerate 110 °C if pressure is relieved [Elektroda, Piotr77777, post #9079803] Frequent boiling points to undersized radiators, excessive fuel load, or blocked circulation.

3. What fails inside a pump that ran dry?

Water lubricates and cools the ceramic plain bearing. After 3–5 min dry, friction can seize the rotor and warp the sleeve [Elektroda, stanislaw1954, post #9081875] Grundfos tests show rotor temperature above 180 °C after 10 min dry run [Grundfos, 2020].

4. Why does the boiler gauge read 78 °C while the controller shows 60 °C?

Melted insulation separated the sensor from the hot pipe, so it measures cooled air, not water. Re-strap the probe with metal tape and add 10 mm mineral wool around it [Elektroda, stanislaw1954, post #9081641]

5. How do I safely refill and bleed after a boil-over?

  1. Let the fire die and switch the pump off. 2. Open the fill valve slowly until water drips from the open vent. 3. Bleed radiators top-down, then restart the pump [Elektroda, Piotr77777, post #9079803]

6. Should the circulator sit on the flow or the return line?

Mounting on the cooler return keeps the rotor submerged and avoids steam pockets; it also halves bearing wear according to field data [Elektroda, stanislaw1954, post #9081875]

7. Is my ball valve ruined after overheating?

The brass or steel ball survives. Only the PTFE seat can deform above 180 °C. If the handle turns smoothly and the valve seals, leave it; replacement 1" valve costs 15–100 PLN [Elektroda, Piotr77777, post #9085002]

8. How can I confirm the pump is seized?

Unplug, remove the front screw, and spin the impeller with a screwdriver. No movement means seizure. “If some muck has entered the impeller, cleaning may revive it” [Elektroda, Piotr77777, post #9085002]

9. Which replacement pump offers best value?

Grundfos and Wilo top reliability rankings; budget Weberman costs ~100 PLN, Grundfos UPS2 25-40 about 220 PLN but uses 40 % less power at speed II [Elektroda, Piotr77777, post #9085391]

10. Can the system run by gravity if I remove the pump?

Yes, provided pipe slopes are continuous and valves fully open. Users reported heat reaching distant radiators after 20 min, though flow is only 20–30 % of pumped rate [Elektroda, DUDAŚ, post #9085344]

11. Why are the radiators farthest from the boiler lukewarm?

A slowing or seized pump reduces differential pressure, so branch losses dominate. Switching to speed III raised their temperature immediately [Elektroda, DUDAŚ, post #9083195]

12. What causes gurgling at 65–75 °C?

Rapid firing heats the grate faster than water flow removes heat, forming steam bubbles. Ensure pump runs before the blower ignites and avoid dumping coal all at once [Elektroda, stanislaw1954, post #9196531]

13. Will the open-vent expansion tank freeze in the attic?

If ambient drops below −5 °C and water stagnates, ice can form. Insulate the tank with 50 mm mineral wool or reroute it indoors [Elektroda, stanislaw1954, post #9200219]

14. What happens if both radiator and DHW valves stay closed while firing?

With no circulation, heat has nowhere to go; pressure relief lifts, water sprays, and air enters, leaving the pump dry—exactly the failure seen in 2024 posts [Elektroda, julka2010, post #21028490]

15. Edge case: can a circulator give an electric shock after overheating?

If winding insulation carbonises, leakage current may exceed 3 mA, enough to trip RCDs and shock a user [Elektroda, arek59, post #9083596]
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