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Current Standards for Earth Resistance in Detached Houses: Is 20 Ohms Acceptable?

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  • #1 10192049
    patryks901
    Level 2  
    Hello,
    resistance measurements showed 20?.
    I have two fields in the protocol:
    Measured resistance and allowable resistance.

    I searched, found some older posts from 2003 and it said 10-50?.

    How is it now?

    greetings
    Patryk Słupikowski
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    #2 10192094
    jarecki 86
    Electrician specialist
    There is no such thing as Permissible / Required earth resistance in a detached house .
    However, there is a required grounding resistance for surge arresters, which is usually 10 ?.
    In the case of the connector on / near the building, it may also be a requirement imposed by the power industry, i.e. the working ground of the PEN conductor - 30?.
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  • #3 10192506
    andpol
    Level 12  
    The required earthing resistance depends on the type of network, size and type of protection, and on the purpose for which the earthing system is to be used.
  • #4 10193081
    jarecki 86
    Electrician specialist
    I do not think the question was about earthing for the purposes of electric shock protection.
    If it were to be otherwise, I am asking the author of the thread to correct it.
  • #5 10194423
    Enpro
    Level 22  
    In the protocol you have, as you wrote yourself, the measured value, this is what you measured; the permissible value is a value depending on what it should be, i.e. if protective is up to 30 ohms or lightning up to 10 ohms and the value after conversion by the soil factor (dry, wet, humid) which you compare with the permissible value and on this basis you determine whether the earth electrode after conversion meets the norm or not.
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  • #6 10194571
    kasprzyk
    Electrician specialist
    Hello

    I use the table from SonelPE4:

    Current Standards for Earth Resistance in Detached Houses: Is 20 Ohms Acceptable?

    As colleagues wrote, if the earth electrode is to be used in a lightning protection system, the recommendations of the surge arrester manufacturer are often
  • #7 10195930
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    Quote:
    ... the permissible value is a value depending on what it should be, i.e. if protective, it is up to 30 ohms ...
    This is rubbish sucked out of the finger.
  • #8 10196274
    jarecki 86
    Electrician specialist
    If you take into account the provisions of point 5.3 of the N-SEP-E-001 standard, it's hard for my colleague enpro refuse to be right -
    PEN (PE) conductors of power lines should be connected with PE protective conductors of electrical installations of energy consumers, earthed through the main earthing bar of the building and its earth electrode. The resistance of such earthing should not exceed 30?
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  • #9 10198553
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    I do not know what the authors (creators) of this document had, but its full title is:
    N SEP-E-001 Networks low voltage power engineering. Electric shock protection. And the difference between a net and an installation is the same as between a fishing net and a fishing rod.
    The electrician should distinguish this and not confuse other people.
  • #10 10198869
    jarecki 86
    Electrician specialist
    As the requirements of the above-mentioned standard apply to both line distribution circuits and selected load circuits of electrical devices (operating at the grid-installation interface), some power plants, referring to these regulations, once ordered the PEN conductor to be grounded in overhead connection terminals. , mounted, for example, on the walls of single-family houses.
    And because they were called protective and working earthing (with the required value up to 30 ohms), it was enough for a crowd of electricians to readily use this earthing for protection against electric shock. in the building.
    Fortunately, these practices were discontinued shortly after, but as you can see from some entries on various industry forums, these activities left a mark on the minds of many electricians.
  • #11 10199046
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    On my colleague, as I can see, the stigma of the new fashion has unfortunately also been imprinted.
    What does it mean
    Quote:
    ... working at the interface between the network and installations ...

    Unfortunately, a colleague (and not only a colleague) does not see the difference between the fact that the power industry had (and has) an obligation to ground the "last pole" and it was a protective and working ground, not the one that the recipient makes under the building. And here is the reason for the 30 ?. But these are not "audience ohms", but EVs.
    Is there anything unnamed between these two places (grounds)?
  • #12 10199393
    jarecki 86
    Electrician specialist
    Let us forget about the "last pole", because it is about the operational earthing in the TN network, made to ensure the correct operation of power devices in normal and disturbed conditions, and there is no mention of the protective function there.
    However, let's take another look at exactly what is written in the standard:
    Quote:
    PEN (PE) cables power lines should be connected with PE protective conductors electrical installations of consumers grounded through the main earthing bar of the structure and its earth electrode. The resistance of such earthing should not exceed 30?.

    And at this point, it is clearly about the contact between the supply network and the receiving installation.
    A colleague will admit that this conglomerate of words is not very fortunate, and even incorrect, as it can create a source of erroneous arguments for advocates of grounding the PEN breakpoint anytime, anywhere.
    And the most important thing is that this grounding should have no more than 30 ? :D

Topic summary

The discussion centers on the acceptable standards for earth resistance in detached houses, specifically questioning whether a measured resistance of 20 ohms is acceptable. Responses indicate that there is no universally mandated permissible earth resistance for detached houses; however, specific requirements exist for surge arresters (typically 10 ohms) and for PEN conductors, which should not exceed 30 ohms. The acceptable resistance values can vary based on the type of earthing system and its intended use, with recommendations suggesting that protective earthing should ideally be below 30 ohms, while lightning protection systems may require lower values. The conversation also highlights the importance of understanding the distinction between operational and protective earthing, as well as the influence of soil conditions on resistance measurements.
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