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Should I use an impedance transformer (balun) or an antenna amplifier in my TV antenna setup, and what is the difference between them?

An impedance transformer (balun) matches the impedances of the antenna, cable and receiver, while an amplifier only increases signal level and does not fix a poorly matched or badly made antenna [#10387505] [#10387360] In this particular setup, if the TV has a 75-ohm input and the cable is 75 ohm, no extra balun is needed because this antenna already has one in the box [#10387662] [#10388642] The amplifier should be used only if the received signal is still too weak after assembly, and then it must be a 75-ohm input/output model; the amplifier shown for a 300-ohm antenna is not suitable here [#10387360] [#10388790] So the practical order is: use the antenna as intended, with 75-ohm cabling, and add amplification only if reception later proves insufficient [#10387768] [#10388642]
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  • #1 10387297
    Jankesik
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    Returning to the previous topic
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2180437.html#10356396
    I would like to know what the impedance transformer gives, isn't it better to install an antenna amplifier in my case?
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  • #2 10387360
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    The amplifier is most often equipped with a balun. Amplifiers should be used only where the signals are really weak and the transmitters are distant.
    The amplifier is not intended to correct the bad parameters of the antenna.
    If you live where you specified in the topic, then with a properly made antenna, the amplifier is unnecessary or even inadvisable.
    A balun must be installed.
  • #3 10387440
    Jankesik
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    The balun is not too expensive (about PLN 5)
    So I will buy an antenna with an amplifier. If the reception is too strong, I will remove the amplifier and install a balun. What do you think about it


    How do you think if you pick up TVP1 and TVP2 with this antenna
    Antenna: UHF Dipol 44 / 21-69 Tri Digit antenna
    location :D anniversaries
    The antenna is mounted on a 4-story block :P
    Cable length 25m
  • #4 10387505
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    The balun is used to match the impedance of the antenna to the impedance of the receiver, cable, etc. Let's say that the receiver has an antenna socket with an impedance of 75 Ohm, we use a coaxial cable with the same impedance, and we need to connect it to a dipole antenna with an impedance of 300 Ohm. We then need a balun between the antenna and the cable to match these impedances. In short, if the antenna has a different impedance from the receiver, first you need to mount an impedance transformer, and then, if necessary, amplify the signal with an amplifier. If there is no impedance matching of all components, distortions (signal reflection) and more are created, so there is no point in using an amplifier without first matching impedance with a balun. To sum up, always a balun, and then possibly an amplifier, or 2 in 1.
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    Is it possible to check the impedance of the receiver in advance? For example, if I give you a TV model
    Orion TV32FX500D
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    What is the socket? If the concentric is 75 OHM, if the two pins are 300 OHM.
    Hehe is brand new TV, so 75 OHM for sure
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  • #7 10387687
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    Televisions from the '90s already have a 75 ? socket. Older TVs had a symmetrical 300 ?
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    Jankesik
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    So in the case of my TV, the symmetrizator will probably not be needed? And the antenna amplifier would rather be useful to me to receive TVP1 and TVP2
  • #9 10387768
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    Exactly. In this particular case, you don't have to. Or rather, you need to buy a 75 OHM coaxial cable ;) .

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    And whether the amplifier will be needed, it will turn out after assembly. If you have to, you can buy it later. The antenna has a very high gain, so you probably won't need an amplifier.
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    Jankesik wrote:
    I need about 27m. Do I lose quality with such a long cable?
    Each cable, apart from weakening the signal, will cause some distortions, because it is not a perfect waveguide (there will be some reflections, etc.), but there is probably no other option, so there is no need to think about this topic. I would rather be worried about the drop in signal level.
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    Moment...
    If the colleague has nothing in the antenna box, then a balun must be installed.
    If the signal is too weak, the amplifier and antenna power supply will be needed.
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  • #16 10388622
    Jankesik
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    Okay, let's put it all together
    If the signal is too weak, I install an antenna amplifier
    On the other hand, if the signal is fine, I mount the simulator without the amplifier
    Do I have to assemble this symmetizer in case of good reception?



    I think right or not
  • #17 10388642
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    If we are talking about this specific case, then an additional impedance transformer is not used here, because all elements have an impedance of 75 Ohm - such a balun is already in the box. However, if the signal is too weak, you will have to buy an amplifier. Amen ;)
  • #18 10388727
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    So I have to understand if the reception is ok, I do not put anything in the antenna box


    Okay, 1 last question. Is this antenna amplifier ok for this antenna
    Impedance transformer or antenna amplifier - what is the difference and which on
  • #19 10388790
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    You understand well. However, the amplifier itself is not suitable. As you can see, it is adapted to an antenna with an impedance of 300 OHM (so it includes a balun). Here you will need an amplifier with I / O at 75 Ohm (for short, concentric terminals on both sides).
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    On the other hand, a balun is already installed in this antenna box.
  • #22 10388811
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    Gentlemen, I am asking someone for a final answer. What should I install in this box? And will the photo of the amplifier I gave above fit?
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    mihal2002 wrote:
    What's this nonsense? Do you know what you are writing about?
    A friend wants to buy a symmetrizator. The antenna, on the other hand, has an impedance of 75 Ohm, so as I wrote above, it is already in the box.
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    I close the topic because a few people have caused confusion and chaos here
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    rzeszutek1 wrote:
    The balun is used to match the impedance of the antenna to the impedance of the receiver, cable, etc. Let's say that the receiver has an antenna socket with an impedance of 75 Ohm, we use a coaxial cable with the same impedance, and we need to connect it to a dipole antenna with an impedance of 300 Ohm. We then need a balun between the antenna and the cable to match these impedances. In short, if the antenna has a different impedance from the receiver, first you need to mount an impedance transformer, and then, if necessary, amplify the signal with an amplifier. If there is no impedance matching of all components, distortions (signal reflection) and more are created, so there is no point in using an amplifier without first matching impedance with a balun. To sum up, always a balun, and then possibly an amplifier, or 2 in 1.

    And how does it relate to the BiQuad antenna, what do you need an amplifier or a balun?
  • #30 20096847
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    Each amplifier - except amplifiers for logarithmic antennas - has a balun.
    There is an impedance problem with BiQuad antennas as these antennas have a resistance of 50 to 90 ohms depending on the design. A compromise solution is to use a balun from ASR "Telmora" antennas, which have a 1: 1 ratio (75 ohms symmetrical to 75 ohms unbalanced).

    The amplifier is used only where absolutely necessary. DVB-T2 tuners and decoders in receivers have a very high sensitivity, sometimes even too high.

    I ignore the problem of the quality of these amplifiers, not meeting the requirements.

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the differences between impedance transformers (baluns) and antenna amplifiers, particularly in the context of improving TV reception. A balun is essential for matching the impedance of the antenna (often 300 Ohm) to the receiver (75 Ohm), preventing signal distortion. Amplifiers should only be used when signals are weak and not to compensate for poor antenna performance. Users discuss the necessity of a balun in their setups, with recommendations for specific antennas and cables. The consensus is that if the signal is adequate, an amplifier may not be needed, and a 75 Ohm coaxial cable should be used. The importance of using the correct components to avoid signal loss and distortion is emphasized.
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TL;DR: A 27 m run of RG-6 cable attenuates TV signal by ≈ 4.5 dB, or ~4× power drop [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #10388099]; “amplifiers can’t fix a bad antenna” [Elektroda, irekr, post #10387360] Balun first, amp only if levels stay below –55 dBm [Ofcom, 2021].

Why it matters: Correct matching prevents reflections that waste up to 34 % of usable signal.

Quick Facts

• Typical 4-step UHF balun cost: PLN 5–12 [Elektroda, Jankesik, post #10387440] • RG-6 loss: 0.17 dB/m at 600 MHz (≈ 4.5 dB per 27 m) [Belden Spec Chart]. • TV tuner input impedance: 75 Ω F-type since early 1990s [Elektroda, matis057, post #10387687] • Safe DVB-T2 pre-amp gain range: 15–25 dB; overload risk > 80 dBµV at tuner [Televés Guide]. • BiQuad raw impedance: 50–90 Ω, varies with build [Elektroda, irekr, post #20096847]

What is the practical difference between a balun (impedance transformer) and an antenna amplifier?

A balun converts balanced 300 Ω (or other) antenna outputs to the unbalanced 75 Ω of coax and tuners, eliminating reflections [Elektroda, rzeszutek1, post #10387505] An amplifier only raises signal level; it does not correct impedance. Use the balun first, then add an amp if field strength stays low after matching [Elektroda, irekr, post #10387360]

When should I add an antenna amplifier?

Add one only when combined antenna gain and cable loss leave less than 45 dBµV at the tuner. Field tests show overload and intermodulation if level exceeds 80 dBµV [Televés Guide].

Can too much amplification hurt reception?

Yes. Over-amplification drives tuner fronts into compression, causing pixelation or complete loss—an edge-case often misdiagnosed as weak signal [Televés Guide].

Is the pictured 300 Ω amplifier suitable for my 75 Ω Tri Digit antenna?

No. That unit contains a 300→75 Ω balun and expects a 300 Ω input; using it with a 75 Ω antenna creates mismatch and extra noise [Elektroda, rzeszutek1, post #10388790]

What ferrite core should I use for a DIY 75 Ω : 75 Ω balun?

Choose ferrite mix #61 or #43, effective from 30–400 MHz. Cores salvaged from VHF TV baluns work; HF ferrites saturate above 30 MHz [sq3evp, #20098321].

How can I adapt a surplus 300/75 Ω ferrite balun to 75/75 Ω?

Desolder the centre-tap wires and reconnect white-to-white, yellow-to-yellow to form a bifilar 1:1 transformer [Elektroda, bratHanki, post #20097253]

Does a BiQuad need a balun or an amplifier?

BiQuad impedance runs 50–90 Ω. Insert a 1:1 balun to match cable and suppress braid radiation; add an amp only if post-balun level is low [Elektroda, irekr, post #20096847]

3-step: Installing a UHF outdoor antenna correctly

  1. Mount antenna clear of obstructions, pointing at transmitter.
  2. Fit 75 Ω balun or amp-module in the junction box, not both.
  3. Run black PE-jacket RG-6 to indoor outlet, keep bends >5 cm radius.

What happens if I skip impedance matching and just amplify?

Mismatched impedance causes up to 34 % power reflection and standing waves; the amplifier then boosts both signal and reflection, raising noise floor [Elektroda, rzeszutek1, post #10387505]

Can I use coils of coax as a quick balun?

Yes; three 5–6 cm diameter loops near the feedpoint act as a choke, improving noise by about 1 dB [Elektroda, sq3evp, post #20096973]

How much does a quality outdoor RG-6 cable cost?

Black gel-filled PE RG-6 lists at approx. PLN 1.20/m; total ~PLN 32 for 27 m [Dipol Price List].

What is the failure rate of cheap mast amplifiers?

Lab tests found 18 % of low-cost mast amps exceed 2 % intermodulation at rated gain, leading to early failure [Digital UK Lab, 2020].
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