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Radiator Heats Only Halfway: Top Warm, Bottom Cold - Thermostat & Return Pipe Solutions

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  • #1 10472612
    wojtik4444
    Level 10  
    Hello. As in the topic, the radiator only heats up to half, i.e. the top heats and the bottom is cold. The return pipe is also cold. A thermoregulator is installed on the supply pipe. All radiators in the whole apartment heat up the entire apartment, but in one room it only heats up to half. I am asking for some advice because there are already quite severe frosts and the room is cold. I attach photos of the radiator. The installation is airless.
    Radiator Heats Only Halfway: Top Warm, Bottom Cold - Thermostat & Return Pipe Solutions Radiator Heats Only Halfway: Top Warm, Bottom Cold - Thermostat & Return Pipe Solutions Radiator Heats Only Halfway: Top Warm, Bottom Cold - Thermostat & Return Pipe Solutions
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  • #2 10472653
    claddagh ring
    Level 10  
    First of all - vent at the valve built into the radiator.
    Second - one of the valves (inlet or outlet) may need to be replaced.
    Third - you may need to unplug the heater and drain the water - sediment may have accumulated at the bottom of the system and you should rinse the water several times.
  • #3 10472702
    wojtik4444
    Level 10  
    The heater was vented several times with no effect. Maybe something is wrong with this thermoregulator? There is a circulation pump next to the stove and regardless of whether it is on 1 or 3, the effect is the same - only half of it heats up. I doubt that there is sediment on the bottom because the heater is only in the third heating season.
  • #4 10472716
    claddagh ring
    Level 10  
    The drain tube may be cold as there is poor flow and the water is releasing heat from the radiator. A circulation pump, if not diesel, it's cold all over the cottage :) Valve replacement - low cost and approximately 10 minutes of work.

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    And one more thing - what is the pressure in the system?
  • #5 10472743
    wojtik4444
    Level 10  
    Even if the pump is not working, the radiators are still warm :D . How can this pressure be checked? : p
  • #6 10472792
    claddagh ring
    Level 10  
    There is a timer on the boiler. The radiators are warm after the pump has pumped hot water into them. Then the pump goes off until the thermostat wakes it up again. If the pump does not work at all, the radiators are cold.
  • #7 10472868
    Cowboy zagrabie
    Level 31  
    And this radiator is not accidentally dropped on the right side? This is how it looks to me in the middle photo. The side to the valve should be slightly higher.
  • #8 10472915
    saskia
    Level 39  
    Too small passage on the valve (orifice), or it is the farthest (last) radiator in the circuit and the boiler switches off (return temperature from other radiators) before it heats up.
    If the pump is circulating, the slight air lock caused by tilting the radiator in the wrong direction should not make such a difference.
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    #9 10473041
    k0s10r
    Level 19  
    Cowboy zagrabie wrote:
    And this radiator is not accidentally dropped on the right side? This is how it looks to me in the middle photo. The side to the valve should be slightly higher.

    If it was air-tight, it would not heat up all or from half to the side of the vent. and my colleague does not heat in from the middle down, as my colleague saskia wrote too little water he gets.
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    #10 10473070
    piotrkk
    Level 13  
    saskia wrote:
    Too small passage on the valve (orifice), or it is the farthest (last) radiator in the circuit and the boiler switches off (return temperature from other radiators) before it heats up.
    If the pump is circulating, the slight air lock caused by tilting the radiator in the wrong direction should not make such a difference.


    Pull the thermostatic head itself off the valve, as a rule, it is screwed onto the valve. The head is responsible for closing and opening the valve itself. Maybe there is something wrong with her and not working properly. Curtains also do their job, if you cover the thermostatic valve, the head closes the flow and the effect is just like you have. If you take the heads off, move the protruding pin in the form of a sticking rod about 2mm towards you and away from you to facilitate or move it. The heater typically has too little flow (it can also be the farthest radiator) and there is no air in it. Check how it works without a head and let me know. Greetings
    Peter
  • #11 10473384
    EkoGrzew
    Level 20  
    wojtik4444.
    You say that the heaters are in the third season ... Do you have a filter-filter or any other filtering device installed on the boiler room return? it's once. Now, to find out what's going on, just do one thing:
    Turn off all the heaters you have at home, leave the problematic one open (actually remove the heads as your friend advises here) in the boiler room on the central heating pump, put the highest level of overrun (3 usually) and let the boiler heat up during this time. (and at what level of the rundown is it currently set?) how do you do it, check how the radiator behaves. and describe it.
    greetings
    radoslav
  • #12 10473468
    wojtik4444
    Level 10  
    I don't know if it's this boiler because there are two. One is connected to the furnace horizontally and there is no indicator there, but there is one more vertical and it shows 300 kPa at least. So the radiator is lowered on the right side and the left side is higher on this occasion that there is a vent. I just thought that I should take this head off, but I'm afraid that something will break off right now :D how does this plastic pull? There are no filters, because this installation is over 25 years old and also has an old structure :D I'll try to turn these radiators off as you advise :D The pump is constantly running in top gear (i.e. 3). Just advise me how to remove this plastic from the thermoregulator?
  • #13 10473544
    EkoGrzew
    Level 20  
    now it turns out that the installation is 25 years ... and the radiators are for the third season ...
    you have to wash it .. but after the season maintenance is necessary - rinsing the installation. and installation of the filter on the return from the installation (larger than the central heating pump wheel) and check in general - clean the oblique filter at the central heating pump
    and as for the head, it's not any plastic, just set it on a five and unscrew (it can be possible by hand) this hexagonal nut at the head.
    and do what I wrote above.
    greetings
  • #14 10473575
    wojtik4444
    Level 10  
    and when I unscrew this cap, nothing will start to drip?

    Added after 11 [minutes]:

    I unscrewed this thermoregulator and I have this view Radiator Heats Only Halfway: Top Warm, Bottom Cold - Thermostat & Return Pipe Solutions
    and I was moving this tiny pin back and forth :D we'll see if it helps. And behind the spindle there is a nut with some numbers only in the picture are invisible. What are these numbers on this cap for?
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  • #15 10473634
    EkoGrzew
    Level 20  
    leave the rest alone and do what I wrote about above

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    these are the hydraulic settings of the valve
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  • #16 10473663
    wojtik4444
    Level 10  
    so far I was moving this mandrel and I was just burning in the furnace. Napal up to 70 degrees and wait a moment. Oh, so you'd better not touch it :D because you can still adjust something
  • #17 10473693
    EkoGrzew
    Level 20  
    do you smoke already ?? And you checked the skew filter at the pump ????? work for the railroad. Then light up, turn the heaters off without that one, set the pump to 3 and see the radiator.
  • #18 10473717
    wojtik4444
    Level 10  
    and how does this filter look like?

    Added after 5 [minutes]:

    Because I don't know where he is. I enclose a photo of the pump circuit in the boiler room Radiator Heats Only Halfway: Top Warm, Bottom Cold - Thermostat & Return Pipe Solutions
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    #19 10473771
    EkoGrzew
    Level 20  
    ooh ... I'm starting to fear if you can handle it.
    First of all, disconnect the pump from the electricity supply.
    Close both valves with the red handle below the pump and above. at the bottom between the pump and the valve is this brass oblique filter. unscrew the plug at the end of this end. be careful water drips. remove the mesh inside and clean it. then proceed in reverse order. start the pump as soon as you are sure that you open the valves.
    good luck.
  • #20 10473807
    wojtik4444
    Level 10  
    Thanks :D now I have to wait for the temperature to drop before we can start working; D
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    #21 10473810
    EkoGrzew
    Level 20  
    Unscrew the valves first the bottom then the top
  • #22 10473825
    wojtik4444
    Level 10  
    ok thanks i will remember :D
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    #23 10473853
    EkoGrzew
    Level 20  
    at this time, turn off those radiators and let only this one heat up. it doesn't hurt

    Added after 24 [seconds]:

    at most, more f ... s for the filter will go
  • #24 10474515
    wojtik4444
    Level 10  
    I cleaned this filter (it was a bit of shit in a minute, as if someone poured oil there) :D . The pump turned on, the heater got a little warmer downstairs but still lukewarm. I vented it upstairs and nothing. So I turned it on and unscrewed it at the bottom under the vent and a little cold water (about 4 liters) flew and then I unscrewed the butterfly from the return and, surprisingly, the tube started to be hot at the bottom but when I turned the radiator on the back, it started to be colder and it is lukewarm again.
  • #25 10475567
    EkoGrzew
    Level 20  
    did you turn off the other radiators during this time?

    Added after 42 [seconds]:

    lukewarm is not cold anymore :)
  • #26 10475597
    wojtik4444
    Level 10  
    i.e. I only turned 2 because the rest do not have these thermoregulators, i.e. kitchen, 2 rooms and bathroom do not have it
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    #27 10475790
    EkoGrzew
    Level 20  
    wojtik4444 wrote:
    and some cold water (about 4 l) flew and then I unscrewed the butterfly from the return and, surprisingly, the tube started to be hot at the bottom, but when I turned the heater on the back, it started to be colder and it is lukewarm again.

    As I read it, it still occurred to me that you have swapped the power supply back, but it's probably impossible because the installation is still intact. only the heater replaced. also clogs on the return. gently tap on the return near the heater. the worst-case dirt will stay on the filter, so you'll just clean it again or twice. you already know how to do it :)
    I wish warmth :)
  • #28 10476645
    qusha
    Level 10  
    Hello. I have a similar problem
    I have had heaters in my new single-family house for 3 years. This season, however, some heaters only heat up to 50% of the surface, i.e. where there is a hot water inlet, the circulation pump runs at maximum speed, temperature in the water in the boiler 75 degrees 24 hours a day. I have PurmoVentil compact heaters with bottom feed from one-right side. The heaters were vented and filled with water by an experienced plumber. The larger heaters have the desired temperature on almost the entire surface, and the smaller ones, especially only half or less, ie the left side does not heat up. I have a flow regulator that is fully unscrewed. Heating is NOT gravity.
    What's the cause! ???
  • #29 10476921
    szymonjasiu
    Level 20  
    It is possible that the radiator is connected inversely.
    Check the tubes under the heater. The hotter one should be the one closer to the center of the radiator (power supply), and the one closer to the edge of the radiator should be cooler.
  • #30 10476941
    zybie
    Level 30  
    Start by cleaning the filter as previously described.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around a radiator that only heats halfway, with the top warm and the bottom cold, and a cold return pipe. Users suggest several troubleshooting steps, including venting the radiator, checking the thermoregulator, and inspecting the circulation pump. It is noted that sediment buildup could be an issue, and users recommend cleaning filters and ensuring proper hydraulic settings on the valves. The importance of checking the system pressure and the orientation of the radiator is also emphasized. Ultimately, a faulty thermoregulator was identified as the primary issue, which was resolved by adjusting the butterfly valve.
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