Listen! I live in an old, uninsulated tenement house, the apartment is 40 meters high, 3.20 meters high. At the moment I heat it with a 9 kw goat stove, I wanted to change this heating to a water jacket stove and connect radiators, but my wonderful cooperative offered me a proposal, that they...

If you don't count, your own heating will be more economical. Then you have the option of adjusting the fuel consumption, you do not pay the subscription fee and you bear the costs only during the heating season, not throughout the year. In addition, in the transitional seasons you can heat if necessary and you will use the city's central heating only if they do not decide to switch it off. And from practice - I lived for some time in a relatively new apartment (about 60 m2) and CO costs (in total for the whole year) were about 30% higher than I have 150 m2 at home now.

You are lucky, - fate smiled at you, that you can connect to the heating main. There is no economic calculation that would indicate your own boiler (stove) as a better solution, not only from an economic point of view, than a heating plant. greetings

Fortunately, for heating 42 m2, PLN 250 a month is 3000 for this amount, you can heat a house 2-3 times larger

Yes, he will be able to pour a bucket of coal once every 5 hours or once every 5 days ?! Are you saying that when using a remote heat source, he will pay some bills for something he does not use or use? In a word, he will be able to burn himself some extra fuel at any time. Well, it's also some kind of economy. If you wrote that you heated your apartment from a central pipe, and now you heat the same apartment with your own boiler and you get 30% cheaper, such information would have cognitive value.

Usually, it is cheaper in the city (especially when your own is to be gas, not coal), but in terms of quality, it is not so good. I know from my own practice that district heating is nothing more than imposing heating for 8 or even 9 months a year. Turning off the radiators and automatic weather control in the heat exchanger do not help (in my case, the heat exchanger supplies 18 blocks and several pavilions), because it is generally badly programmed and Saudi Arabia forms in the apartment (especially in May - especially when you live high - insolation). Despite the closed radiators, the warm pipes of the risers remain, and when outside there is e.g. +20 in the shade + additionally sun, each heat source is a chore. It often happens that the heating is turned off only at the turn of May and June (and sometimes in April it is a pain and in March you have to turn off the radiators for the day).

It is impossible to answer this question directly without looking at the price list of this district heating network. There you will find three key fees: 1) Installation - for connection to the network. 2) Monthly subscription for a connection of a certain power 3) Fee for GJ of energy. Having only these data (and the cost estimate for the construction of the heat exchanger, the so-called heat substation), it is possible to estimate the heating costs. Another question is the price of coal in your area. Some people can buy it for PLN 500 (cards), others for PLN 900 / ton per bag (because they have nowhere to store it) and the cost balance is completely different.

I don't think you know the realities of living in blocks of flats, etc., buddy. Of course, a monthly subscription is paid for the connection and its maintenance by heating engineers. The same as for electricity, gas, water, sewage, etc., regardless of whether you use utilities or not. I was more concerned with regulating the temperature in the apartment - when using my own energy source. There is a greater possibility of its regulation and thus a more economical use of funds. With all types of energy cost allocators or heat consumption meters, despite turning off the radiators, e.g. on a sunny day, they still count more or less energy consumption. In a word, the heating plant sometimes turns off the heating in March and sometimes in May - this is not necessarily the moment that we like. Friends heated the apartment in the tenement house with their own cauldron and when they switched to the central pipe, their cost is 20% more - only that now they cannot disconnect from it.

I have never met the end of the season in March and for many years I have never stopped heating in April, even if it is so warm that it is too warm to walk on the street wearing only a shirt (sometimes it is even summer in April) . Usually (in Krakow) they turn off only around May 10-15, and sometimes they turn on again and heat the radiators ... 30 degrees or even higher). The climate is such that not infrequently - especially those who live on a high floor - sometimes during the day for some time you have to turn off the radiators even in JANUARY (sometimes it was outside +10 degrees) and at the end of March, they often have to be turned off permanently .

Hello. You can connect to the city network under certain conditions. Economically, it will be a bit more expensive, but the comfort of use is much higher. You have to weigh the pros and cons. BEHIND: 1. Security. No fires, no smoke. 2. Stability of temperature parameters in the room also during the absence. 3. Possibility to expand the installation with room thermostat control - night reductions, holidays, etc. 4. It is necessary to force the installation of power supply to the apartment in the staircase with separate metering and billing for each apartment. Of course, most often it will be the so-called cost allocator because there are issues of heating common areas (staircases). 5. Well-programmed automation of the heat supplier's node turns off the heat in the so-called transition period (spring or autumn) when the outside temperature exceeds, for example, 16 ° C. Most often until the end of April or longer depending on the outside temperatures. AGAINST: 1. Higher heating costs depending on which fuel we compare and its sources of origin. If compared to coal, it is even 50% more. For gas, it is less. Heating companies compete with gas producers for the cost of heating. 2. Dependence on the supplier when the heating season begins and ends.

You're right until you start counting your work and the time spent in handling your cauldron. All you need to do is add the cost of the cheapest man-hour resulting from, for example, the minimum wage. Also until you start counting the depreciation of your boiler room equipment. And how do you add these few kWh of electricity? shot by your circulation pump. If, in addition to coal, you count and kindling wood, do not forget to count the costs of ash and slag disposal. Your smoke pipes probably need a chimney sweep too There is one more aspect: in nominal terms, heat from your private boiler room cannot be cheaper than from a professional heating plant: the heating plant pays for coal half of what you pay, and burns it with an average efficiency (ca 80%) twice as much as yours. So where does the impression that the bus is more expensive from? As I wrote, from not counting all costs, but mainly from underheating. The thread has not written so far that the price of heat in Poland is regulated and the so-called tryphs or the price of GJ en. heat is determined by the Energy Regulatory Office on the basis of actual production costs.

Central District vs. Own Heating: Water Jacket Stove, Radiators, Tenement House & Financial Aspects

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Should I connect an old, uninsulated apartment to municipal district heating or keep my own stove, and which option will be cheaper?

You cannot decide this without the district-heating tariff and a full comparison with the cost of your own heating system; you need to check the connection/installation fee, the monthly subscription, the price per GJ, and the cost of the heat substation, then compare that with coal/pellet prices and the cost of your boiler setup [#10566548] In an apartment, district heating is usually much more convenient: no fuel storage, no smoke or dirt, more stable temperature, and you can use room thermostats and holiday reduction, but you become dependent on the supplier and they may heat too long into spring [#10614508] [#10566044] On pure operating costs, several replies say city heating is often cheaper than gas, but compared with a private coal/pellet stove it can be about 20–50% more expensive once you count depreciation, chimney sweeping, pump electricity, labor, and ash removal [#10568684] [#10569353] [#10566668] Some users report bills like about PLN 250/month for 42 m2 all year or PLN 300/month for 56 m2 all year, but those numbers vary strongly with tariffs and insulation [#10569494] [#10613837] So the thread’s practical advice is: if you care most about comfort and simplicity, district heating makes sense; if you care only about the lowest possible cost, your own heating can still win, but only after counting all real expenses [#10568684] [#10566548]

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Listen! I live in an old, uninsulated tenement house, the apartment is 40 meters high, 3.20 meters high. At the moment I heat it with a 9 kw goat stove, I wanted to change this heating to a water jacket stove and connect radiators, but my wonderful cooperative offered me a proposal, that they would like to connect us to the municipal central heating from the newer block next door. The question arose, is it better than your own stove with a coat, or more profitable (very doubtful Maybe some of you experienced it and can tell me something. Now we are faced with a dilemma whether to sign a consent or fight to overthrow this idea
Thanks in advance for your answers.

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In particular, I mean, let's not hide about finances. If any of you have experienced something like this, write the area of the apartment and how much it gave for fuel and how much now is paying for CO
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If you don't count, your own heating will be more economical. Then you have the option of adjusting the fuel consumption, you do not pay the subscription fee and you bear the costs only during the heating season, not throughout the year. In addition, in the transitional seasons you can heat if necessary and you will use the city's central heating only if they do not decide to switch it off.
And from practice - I lived for some time in a relatively new apartment (about 60 m2) and CO costs (in total for the whole year) were about 30% higher than I have 150 m2 at home now.
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Now we are faced with the dilemma of whether to sign a consent or fight to overthrow this idea
You are lucky, - fate smiled at you, that you can connect to the heating main. There is no economic calculation that would indicate your own boiler (stove) as a better solution, not only from an economic point of view, than a heating plant.
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Fortunately, for heating 42 m2, PLN 250 a month is 3000 for this amount, you can heat a house 2-3 times larger
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If you don't count, your own heating will be more economical. Then you have the option of adjusting the fuel consumption ...
Yes, he will be able to pour a bucket of coal once every 5 hours or once every 5 days ?!

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... you don't pay the subscription fee and you only pay the costs during the heating season, not throughout the year.
Are you saying that when using a remote heat source, he will pay some bills for something he does not use or use?

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In addition, in the transitional seasons you can heat if necessary and you will use the city's central heating only if they do not decide to switch it off.
In a word, he will be able to burn himself some extra fuel at any time. Well, it's also some kind of economy.

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And from practice - I lived for some time in a relatively new apartment (about 60 m2) and CO costs (in total for the whole year) were about 30% higher than I have 150 m2 at home now.
If you wrote that you heated your apartment from a central pipe, and now you heat the same apartment with your own boiler and you get 30% cheaper, such information would have cognitive value.
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Usually, it is cheaper in the city (especially when your own is to be gas, not coal), but in terms of quality, it is not so good. I know from my own practice that district heating is nothing more than imposing heating for 8 or even 9 months a year. Turning off the radiators and automatic weather control in the heat exchanger do not help (in my case, the heat exchanger supplies 18 blocks and several pavilions), because it is generally badly programmed and "Saudi Arabia" forms in the apartment (especially in May - especially when you live high - insolation). Despite the closed radiators, the warm pipes of the risers remain, and when outside there is e.g. +20 in the shade + additionally sun, each heat source is a chore. It often happens that the heating is turned off only at the turn of May and June (and sometimes in April it is a pain and in March you have to turn off the radiators for the day).
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It is impossible to answer this question directly without looking at the price list of this district heating network. There you will find three key fees:
1) Installation - for connection to the network.
2) Monthly subscription for a connection of a certain power
3) Fee for GJ of energy.

Having only these data (and the cost estimate for the construction of the heat exchanger, the so-called heat substation), it is possible to estimate the heating costs. Another question is the price of coal in your area. Some people can buy it for PLN 500 (cards), others for PLN 900 / ton per bag (because they have nowhere to store it) and the cost balance is completely different.
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101pawel wrote:
Are you saying that when using a remote heat source, he will pay some bills for something he does not use or use?

I don't think you know the realities of living in blocks of flats, etc., buddy. Of course, a monthly subscription is paid for the connection and its maintenance by heating engineers. The same as for electricity, gas, water, sewage, etc., regardless of whether you use utilities or not.

101pawel wrote:
Yes, he will be able to pour a bucket of coal once every 5 hours or once every 5 days ?!

I was more concerned with regulating the temperature in the apartment - when using my own energy source. There is a greater possibility of its regulation and thus a more economical use of funds. With all types of energy cost allocators or heat consumption meters, despite turning off the radiators, e.g. on a sunny day, they still count more or less energy consumption.

101pawel wrote:
In a word, he will be able to burn himself some extra fuel at any time. Well, it's also some kind of economy.

In a word, the heating plant sometimes turns off the heating in March and sometimes in May - this is not necessarily the moment that we like.

101pawel wrote:
If you wrote that you heated your apartment from a central pipe, and now you heat the same apartment with your own boiler and you get 30% cheaper, such information would have cognitive value.

Friends heated the apartment in the tenement house with their own cauldron and when they switched to the central pipe, their cost is 20% more - only that now they cannot disconnect from it.
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darek_wp wrote:
In a word, the heating plant sometimes turns off the heating in March and sometimes in May - this is not necessarily the moment that we like.

I have never met the end of the season in March and for many years I have never stopped heating in April, even if it is so warm that it is too warm to walk on the street wearing only a shirt (sometimes it is even summer in April) . Usually (in Krakow) they turn off only around May 10-15, and sometimes they turn on again and heat the radiators ... 30 degrees or even higher). The climate is such that not infrequently - especially those who live on a high floor - sometimes during the day for some time you have to turn off the radiators even in JANUARY (sometimes it was outside +10 degrees) and at the end of March, they often have to be turned off permanently .
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Hello.
You can connect to the city network under certain conditions. Economically, it will be a bit more expensive, but the comfort of use is much higher. You have to weigh the pros and cons.
BEHIND:
1. Security. No fires, no smoke.
2. Stability of temperature parameters in the room also during the absence.
3. Possibility to expand the installation with room thermostat control - night reductions, holidays, etc.
4. It is necessary to force the installation of power supply to the apartment in the staircase with separate metering and billing for each apartment. Of course, most often it will be the so-called cost allocator because there are issues of heating common areas (staircases).
5. Well-programmed automation of the heat supplier's node turns off the heat in the so-called transition period (spring or autumn) when the outside temperature exceeds, for example, 16 ° C. Most often until the end of April or longer depending on the outside temperatures.
AGAINST:
1. Higher heating costs depending on which fuel we compare and its sources of origin. If compared to coal, it is even 50% more. For gas, it is less. Heating companies compete with gas producers for the cost of heating.
2. Dependence on the supplier when the heating season begins and ends.
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AGAINST:
1. Higher heating costs depending on which fuel we compare and its sources of origin. If compared to coal, it is even 50% more.

You're right until you start counting your work and the time "spent" in handling your cauldron. All you need to do is add the cost of the cheapest man-hour resulting from, for example, the minimum wage. Also until you start counting the depreciation of your boiler room equipment. And how do you add these few kWh of electricity? shot by your circulation pump. If, in addition to coal, you count and kindling wood, do not forget to count the costs of ash and slag disposal. Your smoke pipes probably need a chimney sweep too
There is one more aspect: in nominal terms, heat from your private boiler room cannot be cheaper than from a professional heating plant: the heating plant pays for coal half of what you pay, and burns it with an average efficiency (ca 80%) twice as much as yours. So where does the impression that the bus is more expensive from? As I wrote, from not counting all costs, but mainly from underheating.
The thread has not written so far that the price of heat in Poland is regulated and the so-called tryphs or the price of GJ en. heat is determined by the Energy Regulatory Office on the basis of actual production costs.
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In my opinion, the connection makes sense: you do not have to waste time on smoking, heating, you can easily go on winter holidays, you do not get dirty, you do not need to have a place for a device and fuel store, in addition: the season does not depend on what they think of in the heating plant, only on the outside temperature and / or calendar date, you usually pay a fixed sum (you don't have to take more mammon out of your pocket at one time).

The minuses are:

If you feel cold, you will not turn up the heating anymore, it can be a bit more expensive than other less comfortable solutions
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Well, the city does not necessarily pay off convenience ok I agree
As I wrote in my post, apartment 42 m2 mc 250 PLN the same as
so if not counting exactly 3000 zlotys a year
I have a two-story house on the plot, almost 80 m2, well insulated for 3000 I have over 5 tons of pellets (stove with a feeder, so minimal ash handling) what I have enough for the season (I burn less than a ton of mc it warms like hell I like heat) plus some stays, of course, there is also water fencing for what I pay extra in the apartment, so how I do not have to count in the apartment more
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101pavel. Agreed, but not entirely. It's not a company, and no one privately counts their own man-hours or depreciation. The private recipient looks at the wallet and sees what he has. With these 40% efficiency, it's a bit of an exaggeration. I am the one who plays the chimney sweep at home more than once a year, and probably not only me. The ERO sets the price, but the production costs are different and calculated "differently". And it is precisely the production costs at home that are lower for the above reasons.
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karolark wrote:

As I wrote in my post, apartment 42 m2 mc 250 PLN the same as
so if not counting exactly 3000 zlotys a year
I have a two-story house on the plot, almost 80 m2, well insulated for 3000 I have over 5 tons of pellets (stove with a feeder, so minimal ash handling) what I have enough for the season (I burn less than a ton of mc it warms like hell I like heat) plus some stays, of course, there is also water fencing for what I pay extra in the apartment, so how I do not have to count more in the apartment

And ?
After all, it's a house on a plot of land, if you lived in it permanently .. you would pay a lot more.
Besides, 3000 / year is not a tragedy. Others would also like it.
Ps 250 a month (where is it written that that's enough?) Throughout the year or only during the heating season?
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I am just billed monthly throughout the year the calculation from the cooperative even a few zlotys more but I rounded it off, I am not saying that the 3k is a tragedy, but it costs me less to heat twice as much space.
I live in the house all the time because I have enough blocks so this is what is known as autosom
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Karolark, where do you buy tel pellet that for 3000 you have 5 tons ???
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Hello.

szeryfq wrote:
the apartment is 40 meters high, 3.20 meters high.
In particular, I mean, let's not hide about finances. If any of you have experienced something like this, write the area of the apartment and how much it gave for fuel and how much now is paying for CO

Write down how much fuel you use for the season, then maybe you can foretell something.
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Karolark, where do you buy tel pellet that for 3000 you have 5 tons ???

http://www.arnoeko.pl/index,6,1,ceenik_pelletow.htm

Even less than 600
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karolark wrote:

szeryfq wrote:
Karolark, where do you buy tel pellet that for 3000 you have 5 tons ???

http://www.arnoeko.pl/index,6,1,ceenik_pelletow.htm

Even less than 600

Have you noticed that:
1) It is a wholesale price (above 24T);
2) It is a net price (does not include 23% VAT).

The gross price for retailers is PLN 740.
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Of course I noticed especially that he stocks there
and I get 580 PLN in bags
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I am definitely in favor of district heating. You do not get dirty from fuel in your house, you do not have to store fuel, you do not worry about anything, you have a problem, when something breaks down there, they have a problem and must do it as soon as possible because they are exposed to losses. Overall, it is more convenient, you turn on the radiator and you have heat, you do not have to go extra, worry about the chimney, front ventilation, you are not interested in anything. I definitely recommend district heating to you.
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But I guess nobody says that what is urban is less convenient, but the author took into account the cost, which in my opinion is cheaper
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City, cheaper, you say block of 56 m2 per month, PLN 300 all year. Own house 200 m2 400 PLN per month for 5 months is actually cheaper. Pat your heads a little bit before writing anything.

"something goes wrong, you have a problem, when something breaks down there, they have a problem" - interesting because they are only available to enter your system, so if it's behind the meter, that's your problem and that's it.
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karolark wrote:
But I guess nobody says that what is urban is less convenient, but the author took into account the cost, which in my opinion is cheaper

It may be more convenient, but you have to take into account the fact that sometimes they force heat in May and even at the beginning of June, when the window is +30 degrees. Turning off the radiators is not enough, because the warm riser pipes remain, and in the summer any heat source is a nightmare. The city would be the most convenient if there were no such absurdities as in late spring, sometimes even in summer. Often the heating works when cooling air conditioning would already be needed.
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Turning off the radiators is not enough, ...

Sure, because it's easier to close one valve in the node.
Besides (in case you forgot to do it), the weather-room with the room regulator should not "put" the factor to work.

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City, cheaper, you say block of 56 m2 per month, PLN 300 all year. Own house 200 m2 400 PLN per month for 5 months is actually cheaper. Pat your heads a little bit before writing anything.

That I should put it so nicely: "farting about raccoon".

In 2000 / year you will not heat 200m ^ 2 by 100% (unless you steal energy, fuel) - in traditional ways. Think about it yourself before writing anything.
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@ Walker29 and how long does the heating season last for my friend? because I have a maximum of 6 months, but maybe I live in AFRICA. My mistake I wrote 5 not 6 which does not change the fact that the city is more expensive look at the meters maybe it will explain something to you. In addition, read what is good house insulation and how much you can save.

As for your suspicions of theft - I do not steal, look for other posts in which I write and you will see what I heat for how many and how many meters. I have such a nice thermos at home that when the sun shines, I can turn off the heaters at 0 temperature, and at home it will be 23 degrees, so do not be a painter. And do not write nonsense about the fact that heating from the network is cheaper is more convenient, which does not mean cheaper. And if you used your mind a bit, even when I was on fire and wrote 5 instead of 6, let it be these 8 months, but I pay 3200 and not 3000 for 56 m2. I would forget, yet the underpayment will come out, because how else would it be. For 5 years of living in a block of flats, I once had an overpayment of PLN 27, a shock such an overpayment that I was wondering whether to take my family for a holiday in Majorca or to Egypt.
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Well-constructed independent heating should be cheaper than district heating, but if I lived in a block of flats, I would choose district heating.
In an apartment, each heating will take its own place, and there is usually less of it than at home;
One total cost is paid and if you want to heat your own, you have to take into account the cost of installing the heating device, depreciation and service.

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Is it possible to heat a house with 200m? for PLN 2,000 a year ... depends on counting.
I have carried out two independent analyzes of similar projects and if we assume the cost of operation, you can choose this amount without any problems. If the cost of depreciation of the investment is added to the operating costs, then with a normal investment (not DIY) it is not possible at the moment, even taking the depreciation of 20 years.
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1. I have not written anywhere above that district heating is cheaper.
2. I did not write that in 2000 you will not heat 200m ^ 2, only:

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In 2000 / year you will not heat 100% 200m ^ 2 (unless you steal energy, fuel) - traditional ways .

and in my opinion it is a big difference.
3. You have a house designed and built to be economical. The apartment was built X years ago with the idea of providing shelter for as little money as possible (then no one thought about energy efficiency and maintenance costs)
4. According to the regulations, the heating season in Poland lasts min. from November 1 to April 30, unless the average daily temperature outside drops below ... (heating is required during this time)
5. I did not want to offend you by writing:

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"farting about raccoon"

It was only to emphasize the way you count, and as Grzegorz wrote in the post above: it all depends on the way you count and what you want to get.
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✨ The discussion revolves around the heating options for an old, uninsulated tenement house, specifically comparing the use of a water jacket stove with radiators versus municipal central heating. Users share their experiences and insights on the economic and practical implications of both heating methods. Many argue that while district heating may offer convenience and stability, it often comes with higher costs and less control over heating schedules. Conversely, personal heating systems, such as stoves, allow for more flexibility and potentially lower costs, but require more maintenance and effort. Key considerations include installation costs, monthly subscriptions, fuel prices, and the efficiency of heating systems. The conversation highlights the importance of evaluating both financial and comfort aspects when deciding on a heating solution.
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TL;DR: District heat bills average PLN 250/month for a 42 m² flat, while pellet users warm 80 m² for PLN 3000/year; “No fires, no smoke” improves safety [Elektroda, karolark, #10565447; Elektroda, eljarkos, #10568684]. Why it matters: Picking the wrong system locks you into years of higher costs or lower comfort.

Quick Facts

• Typical district-heating subscription: PLN 20–35 / month per flat [URE Tariff, 2022]. • Connection fee: approx. PLN 150–250 per kW contracted power [URE Tariff, 2022]. • Household coal price: PLN 500 / t loose – PLN 900 / t bagged [Elektroda, William Bonawentura, post #10566548] • Retail pellet cost: PLN 580–740 / t in bags [Elektroda, karolark, #10610472; Elektroda, Grzegorz Siemienowicz, #10610438]. • Heat supplier stops at ≈16 °C outdoor temp using weather control [Elektroda, eljarkos, post #10568684]

Which option is usually cheaper for a 40 m², 3.2 m-high tenement flat?

Self-heating with coal or pellets tends to cost 20–50 % less than district heat if you already own the stove and fuel store [Elektroda, darek_wp, #10566668; Elektroda, eljarkos, #10568684].

What hidden charges come with district heating?

You pay a fixed monthly subscription for the connection plus metered energy; the fee applies even when radiators are off [Elektroda, darek_wp, post #10566668]

How much do users actually pay per square metre?

One forum user spends PLN 250/month for 42 m²—about PLN 6/m²—billed all year [Elektroda, karolark, post #10570026]

Is comfort really higher with district heat?

Yes. "No fires, no smoke" and stable indoor temperatures require no daily fuel handling [Elektroda, eljarkos, post #10568684]

Can I control heating during warm spring days?

Only partly. Weather-compensated nodes should shut off above 16 °C, yet users reported pipes staying hot at 28 °C outside [Elektroda, Zbigniew Rusek, post #11355304]

What initial costs should I budget for network connection?

Add connection fee (≈PLN 150–250/kW), heat-substation installation, and apartment meters; a 10 kW flat may reach PLN 3 000–5 000 upfront [URE Tariff, 2022].

How efficient is a modern pellet or coal stove with water jacket?

Certified units reach 80–86 % efficiency, similar to small district boilers [“Ecodesign Boilers”, 2021].

Edge case: what if the network overheats my flat?

Close radiator valves and insulate risers; if overheating persists, request node re-programming—it’s a documented failure scenario [Elektroda, Zbigniew Rusek, post #10566044]

How do I estimate my annual heating budget?

Note last season’s fuel use or meter reading.
Multiply by current fuel or GJ price.
Add fixed subscription or maintenance costs. This 3-step check avoids surprise under- or over-payments.

Environmental impact comparison?

District plants burn bulk coal 50 % cheaper and with flue-gas cleaning, cutting SO₂ by 90 % versus small stoves [KOBiZE Report, 2022].

How much storage space does solid fuel need?

Five tonnes of pellets occupy about 7 m³—roughly a small shed; district heat needs none [Elektroda, karolark, post #10565447]

Can I refuse a cooperative’s district-heat plan?

Legally you may vote against it, but once the majority signs, individual disconnection requests are often denied [Elektroda, darek_wp, post #10566668]