Central District vs. Own Heating: Water Jacket Stove, Radiators, Tenement House & Financial Aspects

Question

Listen! I live in an old, uninsulated tenement house, the apartment is 40 meters high, 3.20 meters high. At the moment I heat it with a 9 kw goat stove, I wanted to change this heating to a water jacket stove and connect radiators, but my wonderful cooperative offered me a proposal, that they...

darek_wp · Answer

If you don't count, your own heating will be more economical. Then you have the option of adjusting the fuel consumption, you do not pay the subscription fee and you bear the costs only during the heating season, not throughout the year. In addition, in the transitional seasons you can heat if necessary and you will use the city's central heating only if they do not decide to switch it off. And from practice - I lived for some time in a relatively new apartment (about 60 m2) and CO costs (in total for the whole year) were about 30% higher than I have 150 m2 at home now.

Anonymous · Answer

You are lucky, - fate smiled at you, that you can connect to the heating main. There is no economic calculation that would indicate your own boiler (stove) as a better solution, not only from an economic point of view, than a heating plant. greetings

karolark · Answer

Fortunately, for heating 42 m2, PLN 250 a month is 3000 for this amount, you can heat a house 2-3 times larger

Anonymous · Answer

Yes, he will be able to pour a bucket of coal once every 5 hours or once every 5 days ?! Are you saying that when using a remote heat source, he will pay some bills for something he does not use or use? In a word, he will be able to burn himself some extra fuel at any time. Well, it's also some kind of economy. If you wrote that you heated your apartment from a central pipe, and now you heat the same apartment with your own boiler and you get 30% cheaper, such information would have cognitive value.

Zbigniew Rusek · Answer

Usually, it is cheaper in the city (especially when your own is to be gas, not coal), but in terms of quality, it is not so good. I know from my own practice that district heating is nothing more than imposing heating for 8 or even 9 months a year. Turning off the radiators and automatic weather control in the heat exchanger do not help (in my case, the heat exchanger supplies 18 blocks and several pavilions), because it is generally badly programmed and Saudi Arabia forms in the apartment (especially in May - especially when you live high - insolation). Despite the closed radiators, the warm pipes of the risers remain, and when outside there is e.g. +20 in the shade + additionally sun, each heat source is a chore. It often happens that the heating is turned off only at the turn of May and June (and sometimes in April it is a pain and in March you have to turn off the radiators for the day).

William Bonawentura · Answer

It is impossible to answer this question directly without looking at the price list of this district heating network. There you will find three key fees: 1) Installation - for connection to the network. 2) Monthly subscription for a connection of a certain power 3) Fee for GJ of energy. Having only these data (and the cost estimate for the construction of the heat exchanger, the so-called heat substation), it is possible to estimate the heating costs. Another question is the price of coal in your area. Some people can buy it for PLN 500 (cards), others for PLN 900 / ton per bag (because they have nowhere to store it) and the cost balance is completely different.

darek_wp · Answer

I don't think you know the realities of living in blocks of flats, etc., buddy. Of course, a monthly subscription is paid for the connection and its maintenance by heating engineers. The same as for electricity, gas, water, sewage, etc., regardless of whether you use utilities or not. I was more concerned with regulating the temperature in the apartment - when using my own energy source. There is a greater possibility of its regulation and thus a more economical use of funds. With all types of energy cost allocators or heat consumption meters, despite turning off the radiators, e.g. on a sunny day, they still count more or less energy consumption. In a word, the heating plant sometimes turns off the heating in March and sometimes in May - this is not necessarily the moment that we like. Friends heated the apartment in the tenement house with their own cauldron and when they switched to the central pipe, their cost is 20% more - only that now they cannot disconnect from it.

Zbigniew Rusek · Answer

I have never met the end of the season in March and for many years I have never stopped heating in April, even if it is so warm that it is too warm to walk on the street wearing only a shirt (sometimes it is even summer in April) . Usually (in Krakow) they turn off only around May 10-15, and sometimes they turn on again and heat the radiators ... 30 degrees or even higher). The climate is such that not infrequently - especially those who live on a high floor - sometimes during the day for some time you have to turn off the radiators even in JANUARY (sometimes it was outside +10 degrees) and at the end of March, they often have to be turned off permanently .

eljarkos · Answer

Hello. You can connect to the city network under certain conditions. Economically, it will be a bit more expensive, but the comfort of use is much higher. You have to weigh the pros and cons. BEHIND: 1. Security. No fires, no smoke. 2. Stability of temperature parameters in the room also during the absence. 3. Possibility to expand the installation with room thermostat control - night reductions, holidays, etc. 4. It is necessary to force the installation of power supply to the apartment in the staircase with separate metering and billing for each apartment. Of course, most often it will be the so-called cost allocator because there are issues of heating common areas (staircases). 5. Well-programmed automation of the heat supplier's node turns off the heat in the so-called transition period (spring or autumn) when the outside temperature exceeds, for example, 16 ° C. Most often until the end of April or longer depending on the outside temperatures. AGAINST: 1. Higher heating costs depending on which fuel we compare and its sources of origin. If compared to coal, it is even 50% more. For gas, it is less. Heating companies compete with gas producers for the cost of heating. 2. Dependence on the supplier when the heating season begins and ends.

Anonymous · Answer

You're right until you start counting your work and the time spent in handling your cauldron. All you need to do is add the cost of the cheapest man-hour resulting from, for example, the minimum wage. Also until you start counting the depreciation of your boiler room equipment. And how do you add these few kWh of electricity? shot by your circulation pump. If, in addition to coal, you count and kindling wood, do not forget to count the costs of ash and slag disposal. Your smoke pipes probably need a chimney sweep too There is one more aspect: in nominal terms, heat from your private boiler room cannot be cheaper than from a professional heating plant: the heating plant pays for coal half of what you pay, and burns it with an average efficiency (ca 80%) twice as much as yours. So where does the impression that the bus is more expensive from? As I wrote, from not counting all costs, but mainly from underheating. The thread has not written so far that the price of heat in Poland is regulated and the so-called tryphs or the price of GJ en. heat is determined by the Energy Regulatory Office on the basis of actual production costs.

Anonymous · Answer

In my opinion, the connection makes sense: you do not have to waste time on smoking, heating, you can easily go on winter holidays, you do not get dirty, you do not need to have a place for a device and fuel store, in addition: the season does not depend on what they think of in the heating plant, only on the outside temperature and / or calendar date, you usually pay a fixed sum (you don't have to take more mammon out of your pocket at one time). The minuses are: If you feel cold, you will not turn up the heating anymore, it can be a bit more expensive than other less comfortable solutions

karolark · Answer

Well, the city does not necessarily pay off convenience ok I agree As I wrote in my post, apartment 42 m2 mc 250 PLN the same as so if not counting exactly 3000 zlotys a year I have a two-story house on the plot, almost 80 m2, well insulated for 3000 I have over 5 tons of pellets (stove with a feeder, so minimal ash handling) what I have enough for the season (I burn less than a ton of mc it warms like hell I like heat) plus some stays, of course, there is also water fencing for what I pay extra in the apartment, so how I do not have to count in the apartment more

eljarkos · Answer

101pavel. Agreed, but not entirely. It's not a company, and no one privately counts their own man-hours or depreciation. The private recipient looks at the wallet and sees what he has. With these 40% efficiency, it's a bit of an exaggeration. I am the one who plays the chimney sweep at home more than once a year, and probably not only me. The ERO sets the price, but the production costs are different and calculated differently. And it is precisely the production costs at home that are lower for the above reasons.

Anonymous · Answer

And ? After all, it's a house on a plot of land, if you lived in it permanently .. you would pay a lot more. Besides, 3000 / year is not a tragedy. Others would also like it. Ps 250 a month (where is it written that that's enough?) Throughout the year or only during the heating season?

karolark · Answer

I am just billed monthly throughout the year the calculation from the cooperative even a few zlotys more but I rounded it off, I am not saying that the 3k is a tragedy, but it costs me less to heat twice as much space. I live in the house all the time because I have enough blocks so this is what is known as autosom

szeryfq · Answer

Karolark, where do you buy tel pellet that for 3000 you have 5 tons ???

berga · Answer

Hello. Write down how much fuel you use for the season, then maybe you can foretell something.

karolark · Answer

Even less than 600

Grzegorz Siemienowicz · Answer

Have you noticed that: 1) It is a wholesale price (above 24T); 2) It is a net price (does not include 23% VAT). The gross price for retailers is PLN 740.

karolark · Answer

Of course I noticed especially that he stocks there and I get 580 PLN in bags

vitus3k · Answer

I am definitely in favor of district heating. You do not get dirty from fuel in your house, you do not have to store fuel, you do not worry about anything, you have a problem, when something breaks down there, they have a problem and must do it as soon as possible because they are exposed to losses. Overall, it is more convenient, you turn on the radiator and you have heat, you do not have to go extra, worry about the chimney, front ventilation, you are not interested in anything. I definitely recommend district heating to you.

karolark · Answer

But I guess nobody says that what is urban is less convenient, but the author took into account the cost, which in my opinion is cheaper

bolszy188 · Answer

City, cheaper, you say block of 56 m2 per month, PLN 300 all year. Own house 200 m2 400 PLN per month for 5 months is actually cheaper. Pat your heads a little bit before writing anything. something goes wrong, you have a problem, when something breaks down there, they have a problem - interesting because they are only available to enter your system, so if it's behind the meter, that's your problem and that's it.

Zbigniew Rusek · Answer

It may be more convenient, but you have to take into account the fact that sometimes they force heat in May and even at the beginning of June, when the window is +30 degrees. Turning off the radiators is not enough, because the warm riser pipes remain, and in the summer any heat source is a nightmare. The city would be the most convenient if there were no such absurdities as in late spring, sometimes even in summer. Often the heating works when cooling air conditioning would already be needed.

mirrzo · Answer

Sure, because it's easier to close one valve in the node. Besides (in case you forgot to do it), the weather-room with the room regulator should not put the factor to work.

Anonymous · Answer

That I should put it so nicely: farting about raccoon. In 2000 / year you will not heat 200m ^ 2 by 100% (unless you steal energy, fuel) - in traditional ways. Think about it yourself before writing anything.

bolszy188 · Answer

@ Walker29 and how long does the heating season last for my friend? because I have a maximum of 6 months, but maybe I live in AFRICA. My mistake I wrote 5 not 6 which does not change the fact that the city is more expensive look at the meters maybe it will explain something to you. In addition, read what is good house insulation and how much you can save. As for your suspicions of theft - I do not steal, look for other posts in which I write and you will see what I heat for how many and how many meters. I have such a nice thermos at home that when the sun shines, I can turn off the heaters at 0 temperature, and at home it will be 23 degrees, so do not be a painter. And do not write nonsense about the fact that heating from the network is cheaper is more convenient, which does not mean cheaper. And if you used your mind a bit, even when I was on fire and wrote 5 instead of 6, let it be these 8 months, but I pay 3200 and not 3000 for 56 m2. I would forget, yet the underpayment will come out, because how else would it be. For 5 years of living in a block of flats, I once had an overpayment of PLN 27, a shock such an overpayment that I was wondering whether to take my family for a holiday in Majorca or to Egypt.

Grzegorz Siemienowicz · Answer

Well-constructed independent heating should be cheaper than district heating, but if I lived in a block of flats, I would choose district heating. In an apartment, each heating will take its own place, and there is usually less of it than at home; One total cost is paid and if you want to heat your own, you have to take into account the cost of installing the heating device, depreciation and service. PS Is it possible to heat a house with 200m? for PLN 2,000 a year ... depends on counting. I have carried out two independent analyzes of similar projects and if we assume the cost of operation, you can choose this amount without any problems. If the cost of depreciation of the investment is added to the operating costs, then with a normal investment (not DIY) it is not possible at the moment, even taking the depreciation of 20 years.

Anonymous · Answer

1. I have not written anywhere above that district heating is cheaper. 2. I did not write that in 2000 you will not heat 200m ^ 2, only: and in my opinion it is a big difference. 3. You have a house designed and built to be economical. The apartment was built X years ago with the idea of providing shelter for as little money as possible (then no one thought about energy efficiency and maintenance costs) 4. According to the regulations, the heating season in Poland lasts min. from November 1 to April 30, unless the average daily temperature outside drops below ... (heating is required during this time) 5. I did not want to offend you by writing: It was only to emphasize the way you count, and as Grzegorz wrote in the post above: it all depends on the way you count and what you want to get.

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