Qualification Certificate "E" and "D" what differences?

Hello, at the beginning, before I ask the questions, I will mention that I was looking for a lot on the forum and I did not find the information that interests me, and a lot of entries are not clear and confusing from which nothing comes out, so I will be grateful for clear and specific help without unnecessary additions such as "what if something"

Namely I want to do SEP permissions, and my questions are as follows:
I know what the permissions E and D are for, but are, for example, D permissions higher than D?
I know that with Operation I cannot sign papers, but with Supervision, can I also do what in the case of E, i.e. technical works? Is it just supervision and paperwork?

The second issue is whether, when obtaining the first permissions, do I have to do up to 1KV first, can I do above 1 kV at once, and if so, does the scope of the material change and how much, and how does it look in practice (it is about examiners, whether it bothers me im that someone is aiming higher right away)

Another question concerns measurements, I found out that it is hard to do, could someone tell me what the problem is (market protection, or heavy study material, or maybe something else), or is it possible to do it at once with E or D?

The last question concerns the choice of points on the form, if I select several options on the application form and I fail one of these points on the exam, will I have failed the entire exam, will I be entitled to the points that I have passed?

Thanks in advance for your help and understanding

"E" and "D" qualifications are issued to the following positions:
- service
- maintenance
- renovations
- installation
- control and measurement

Selected positions and the scope of devices and installations along with the permissible voltage are entered in your Qualification Certificate.

The "E" qualifications entitle you to perform the activities provided for in the positions you have entered in the Qualification Certificate - you can, for example, make electrical installation at the customer's and (what is important!) Carry out its measurements. You cannot, however, sign off on the measurements.
Permissions "D" entitle you to supervise the operation performed by humans with "E" - you cannot directly perform, for example, the above-mentioned installation, but you can sign the test reports.

In short: you can have "E" and "D" at the same time. However, if you perform the installation yourself ("E") and then "pat" your stamp on the protocols ("D"), you may have problems with accepting the protocols. It all depends on the "whim" of a given ZE. One for connecting the client requires only a statement from the person with "E" that the installation can be powered, another ZE wants detailed protocols, for example, from the measurement of insulation resistance WLZ signed by a human with "D". There are also electric power plants that require energy building licenses from an electrician. Look in the forum, there are tons of threads about it. In general, it all depends on the region in which you plan to conduct your business and the requirements of the local ZE.

As for the exams: it is really worth taking a course before taking the exam. I'm not talking about a four-hour course, after which 99% of people get full grazing in papers, but about a reliable course, often lasting several weeks (meetings 1-2 times a week for several hours in the afternoon) with lots of practical exercises. The course, in addition to familiarizing yourself with the latest legal acts, also allows you to freely exchange experiences with other professionals, and not rarely - even to establish some fruitful cooperation.

The price of the course depends on the organizational unit that conducts it. However, the price of one exam is 1/10 of the minimum wage. Now it is probably PLN 133.50.
However, when going to "pass" with "E" and "D" you must take into account that then you do not pass one exam (formally, because in practice the same committee asks you at the same time) only 2 (if you had a full "E" before) "without control and measurement and now you want to extend them) or even 3 (if you do not have permission at all).

As for the powers above 1kV, I will not say anything.
Also check out here

gieniek wrote:

Electric qualifications SEP E and D what differences?

Let's start with the fact that such a thing does not exist. In your previous attempt to post this topic on the forum, I provided you with links to familiarize yourself with the proper terminology and nomenclature. Why don't you use it?

tehaceole wrote:

"E" and "D" qualifications are issued to the following positions:

as above.

I edited an earlier post - read it.

You can only have "D" if, for example, you have a team of electricians under you (here I'm not sure if you should also have UB). Then you don't do anything yourself - you have the people for it. You are responsible for their work (and SAFETY).
Read the materials from the link I placed in the previous post. Everything is described succinctly and reliably there. Excerpt below:

Quote:

2.1 The equipment, installations and networks may be operated by persons who meet the requirements
qualifications for the following types of work and positions:
1) operation - which includes positions of persons performing service work,
maintenance, repairs, assembly as well as control and measurement;
2) supervision - which includes positions of persons managing the activities of persons performing the work
to the extent specified in point 1 and positions of supervising technical employees
over the operation of devices, installations and networks.

tehaceole wrote:

In short: you can have "E" and "D" at the same time. However, if you do the installation yourself ("E") and then "pat" your stamp on the protocols ("D"), you may have problems with accepting the protocols

I have two questions for the above quote:
Does the person with the E Qualification Certificate sign any "papers"?
Because if not, how do you know that the installation was approved by the person who made it?

mrst wrote:

tehaceole wrote:

In short: you can have "E" and "D" at the same time. However, if you do the installation yourself ("E") and then "pat" your stamp on the protocols ("D"), you may have problems with accepting the protocols

I have two questions for the above quote:
Does the person with the E Qualification Certificate sign any "papers"?
Because if not, how do you know that the installation was approved by the person who made it?

First, this quote is absolutely untrue.
Secondly, do not reduce the work of electricians only to the construction of domestic installations. Electricians work in many places and I can assure you that they sign a lot of papers. So is taking measurements.
Examples? Here you go: workshop books and maintenance machines. all maintenance and measurement works, maintenance of cranes - each visit of an electrician must be recorded, measurement of the machine tool after repair, etc., etc.
I skip high voltage stations, where each activity is entered into the facility's book, I do not even mention switching activities, but even such prosaic activities as mowing grass ...

I cannot agree with a fellow retrofood that

tehaceole wrote:

In short: you can have "E" and "D" at the same time. However, if you do the installation yourself ("E") and then "pat" your stamp on the protocols ("D"), you may have problems with accepting the protocols

is information not true. I wouldn't have written it if it weren't true. As I wrote before:

tehaceole wrote:

it all depends on the region in which you plan to conduct your business and the requirements of the local power plants.

and unfortunately in my region such customs are rarely found. And usually sending letters asking for a legal basis, the explanation does not bring any result. If I persist in it, gray Kowalski will not be able to do anything, our small energy state in the state.
Genuineness

tehaceole wrote:

you can have both "E" and "D"

I don't think I need to prove.
As for the rest of the moderator's colleague's statement, I absolutely agree.

retrofood wrote:

they sign a lot of papers. So does taking measurements

But a colleague must admit that these measurements still have to be approved by the person with "D"

tehaceole wrote:

As for the rest of the moderator's colleague's statement, I absolutely agree.

retrofood wrote:

they sign a lot of papers. So does taking measurements

But a colleague must admit that these measurements still have to be approved by the person with "D"

No, they don't have to. This is not construction and the Construction Law does not apply here. It is done by people who are appropriately qualified for these activities, and it is enough.

I do not understand why many electricians confuse two things: measurements and interpretation of measurement results.
An electrician performing a specific measurement (with appropriate, appropriate qualifications) enters the measurement result and signs it! And no one or anything else is needed.

Not everything is construction.

PS. I don't know what ZE Colleague is doing, but it has no legal basis. And someone should be interested in this. For example the local press or television.

I suggest you look at these comments - http://gep.com.pl/PDF/upr_do_kontr.pdf -, and especially pay attention to the content of the letter from the Ministry of Economy and Labor, Department of Energy Security of December 20, 2004, where the difference between the category is clearly defined. E and D, regardless of whether it concerns group G1, G2, G3 or the scope of authorization in a given category. In this case, the letter concerns category D qualifications in the field of control and measurement works.
A person with category D qualifications can always perform work in category E in the same scope because he or she passes an exam in the knowledge of category E extended with the knowledge required in category D.

I know that the topic is old, but maybe someone will answer me. Permissions issued by SEP on:

2. Electric power equipment, installations and networks with a voltage of not more than 1 kV

in the field of operation, maintenance, repairs, assembly, control and measurement.

With the note "without the net". What (in practice) does not authorize such a certificate to?

Edited the question

firetire wrote:

I know that the topic is old, but maybe someone will answer me. Certificate issued by SEP

SEP does not issue any certificates. Unless it's a moral testimony to your forest grandparents.

Hello.
If the Qualifying Electricity Examination Board SEP has issued you an electrical licence up to 1 kV with the entry "without network" you cannot operate them. You can only operate electrical equipment and installations i.e. systems of connections between electrical equipment. On the other hand, you cannot deal with the operation of networks. Networks are interconnected and cooperating installations for the transmission or distribution of fuels or energy, belonging to an energy company. Greetings