Running a Cable Across Countryside Street: Regulations and Safety Measures

Hello

you have to calculate - whether it will be cheaper to buy a telephone cable with a cable + computer cable or only a cable (or wire) + computer cable - in my opinion the first solution is pointless ;)

for fastening, you can use clamps - very quick and durable assembly
Look:
http://www.aste.com.pl/index.cgi?idn_parent=12&lang=pl

I do not understand one thing - you say the telephone wire from the link is a twisted pair if you get even 2 pairs, it will be enough for you and you will pull the network with this cable :D

If you want otherwise, you buy a cable and attach it with bands or good insulation with an OUTER twisted pair and hang it the handles can already be on the poles (usually a piece of wire hangs on the concrete ones, and on wooden ones you can screw in an ordinary screw ).

PS show me where people ask for permission for overhangs
In big cities, even this is done without asking, let alone in the countryside and the poles are not communes, so your neighbor won't do anything to you ;)

Regards

In my place, the company providing the Internet runs cables on electric poles fixed about 1 m below the power wires. I don't know how they managed it, and when I asked them if they had the consent of the power industry, they said yes, of course. And these are not just overhangs, it is an entire overhead installation for several dozen people in the countryside. It's been in operation for 8 months, it's probably legal, right??

grzesiox wrote:

I do not understand one thing - you say the telephone wire from the link is a twisted pair if you get even 2 pairs, it will be enough for you and you will pull the network with this cable :D

If you want otherwise, you buy a cable and attach it with bands or good insulation with an OUTER twisted pair and hang it the handles can already be on the poles (usually a piece of wire hangs on the concrete ones, and on wooden ones you can screw in an ordinary screw ).

PS show me where people ask for permission for overhangs
In big cities, it is even done without asking, let alone in the countryside and the poles are not communes, so your neighbor won't do anything to you ;)

Regards

let a friend correct this post, because I don't know if it's supposed to be eggs or a serious answer if it's the former, it would be appropriate to write it at the end of the post - some may take it seriously

Regards

I know everyone. This problem concerned my friend who lives in a total remote area and in addition in the forest!! He solved this problem by hanging a twisted pair from the house above the ground (across the road) to the nearest tree across the road. Then the cable was pulled through the tree branches. at the edge of the forest, he installed the Access point radio in a metal box. He fastened the Access point and the antenna to a tree. The length of the cable is about 70 m.

kasprzyk wrote:

let a friend correct this post, because I don't know if it's supposed to be eggs or a serious answer if it's the former, it would be appropriate to write it at the end of the post - some may take it seriously

Regards

and in what frequency? with that twist? it's actually the cable that tpsa hangs on poles is the most ordinary twisted pair, so if he manages to get one, there is no problem at all ...
As for the poles, I have seen many such installations done and they are still doing it even in Katowice, Bytom, Tarnowskie Góry, various villages ... so these are definitely not eggs either ...
You can also rent a pole for, for example, 5 years from the power industry, then it comes out to about PLN 50 per year per pole and you are legally allowed
As for the overhang, it just has to be at the right height and that's it.

Regards

grzesiox wrote:

kasprzyk wrote:

let a friend correct this post, because I don't know if it's supposed to be eggs or a serious answer if it's the former, it would be appropriate to write it at the end of the post - some may take it seriously

Regards

and in what frequency? with that twist? it's actually the cable that tpsa hangs on poles is the most ordinary twisted pair, so if he manages to get one, there is no problem at all ...
As for the poles, I have seen many such installations done and they are still being done even in Katowice, Bytom, Tarnowskie Góry, various villages ... so these are definitely not eggs either ...
You can also rent a pole for, for example, 5 years from the power industry, then it comes out to about PLN 50 per year per pole and you are legally allowed
As for the overhang, it just has to be at the right height and that's it.

Regards

Well, we have a revolution in computer networks...
Why are you people overpaying!!!??? why do you buy a category 5 twisted pair cable, after all, an ordinary cable is enough (read: twisted pair ) two-pair telephone :)

PS show me where people ask for permission to overhangs

that's what you wrote in the first post - now you write that you've seen such installations or that you can rent a pole ..... and I agree with you here - that's what you should write in the first post

Next time you post something stupid, think twice or post it in the fun section ;)

Don't mislead people, because some people may lose or pay a lot for your advice.

Well, for example, if they live in blocks of flats and want to pull a cable between the blocks, they must have the consent of the housing cooperative:/ and they don't want to agree ... because they don't ... for no reason :/

colleagues hit the mark - nothing happened - they only evacuated the school and stopped the traffic for 3/4 of the day costs and consequences - that's another story
and so on

legionalt wrote:

colleagues hit the mark - nothing happened - they only evacuated the school and stopped the traffic for 3/4 of the day costs and consequences - that's another story
and yes dale

what did your friend mean???

I hope you took that as a warning??

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Well, for example, if they live in blocks of flats and want to pull a cable between the blocks, they must have the consent of the housing cooperative:/ and they don't want to agree ... because they don't ... for no reason :/

It's not about cooperatives, but there are some regulations that prohibit any overhangs between blocks.
We had the same problems and finally there is WLAN between the blocks...

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Well, we have a revolution in computer networks...
Why are you people overpaying!!!??? why do you buy a category 5 computer twisted pair cable, after all, an ordinary two-pair telephone cable (read: twisted pair cable) is enough

Are you familiar with the LAN 10/100 full duplex specifications? two pairs are enough for transmission, because it is on them that the data transfer is carried out.
As for the telephone cable, it is just a twisted pair and imagine that it is better because STP, i.e. shielded in thick rubber insulation and a carrying cable attached with the same insulation - except that I have not seen these cables in pairs smaller than 4 pairs per wire.
Another thing is UTP twisted pairs - there are so many different twisted pairs that you should look for 2 pairs, what are they for, etc. because I had the pleasure of laying a 2-pair UTP twisted pair many times over long distances and everything works, often on cheap equipment.
I recommend networld there you will find a lot about twisted pairs and transmission cables and how they differ.

As for the poles, I could actually say that this is a half-measure and they can stick, but rather tpsa only sticks to the power industry, I haven't heard anything yet, but it's safer to ask for permission and it's completely legal, I'm not sure about the height, but there is something about 5 meters above the road I don't remember anything like that so I don't want to mix it up.

Regards

Hello!!
Exactly a year ago I pulled an unshielded twisted-pair cable suspended on an ordinary steel wire above the street (although it is probably not a commune, but rather there is a lot of traffic on it). I didn't ask anyone's permission and the network has been running for a year now. If someone writes that the unshielded twisted pair won't last in the winter, it's a mistake, everything works for me for a year, and my colleague has had the network for 3 years and everything works flawlessly.
As for the permission to drag, I didn't ask anyone about it, I just dragged the cable and so far no one will get infected .
AAAA and of course, when there is a storm, I disconnect all devices~ !!!!!!!!!
REGARDS

grzesiox wrote:

................................Do you know the LAN 10/100 full duplex specifications? two pairs are enough for transmission, because it is on them that the data transfer is carried out.

and..............???? You haven't discovered America that's exactly how it is

grzesiox wrote:

As for the telephone cable, it is just a twisted pair and imagine that it's better because STP, i.e. shielded in thick rubber insulation and a carrying cable attached with the same insulation

for you every telephone wire is STP??? :)

here's something about your best cable:
Shielded twisted pair STP - has an additional layer of foil or metal wire braiding the wires. The reason for introducing shielding was the need to use twisted pairs in environments susceptible to electromagnetic and radio frequency interference. In practice, however, this prevents the twisted pair from functioning properly. Electromagnetic radiation is generated when a signal is transmitted over a copper wire. Shielding the cable with a metal sheath protects against external radiation. Unfortunately, it also stops induced radiation, i.e. radiation produced by this cable when a signal is sent through it. So, instead of propagating normally, the radiation is reflected by the shield and directed back to the copper wire, which is likely to damage the signal.

grzesiox wrote:

Another thing is UTP twisted pairs - there are so many different twisted pairs that you should look for 2 pairs, what are they for, etc. because I had the pleasure of laying a 2-pair UTP twisted pair many times over long distances and everything works, often on cheap equipment.

and we get to the bottom of it, for what purpose did you put these wires ?? here:

Twisted pair categories acc. European standard EN 50171

Class A - implementation of telephone services with a frequency band up to 100 kHz

Class B - cabling for voice applications and terminal services with a frequency band up to 1 MHz

Class C (Category 3) - covers typical LAN techniques using a frequency band up to 16 MHz

Class D (category 5) - for fast local networks, includes applications using the frequency band up to 100 MHz (100 Mb/s)

Class E (Category 6) - is the latest (1999) extension of ISO/IEC11801/TlA and includes cabling whose parameters are specified up to the frequency of 250 MHz (for applications requiring 200 Mb/s). Implementation of Gigabit Ethernet (4x 250 MHz = 1 GHz) and ATM 622 Mb/s transmission is planned

Class F (category 7) - it is possible to implement applications using the band up to 600 MHz. It differs from previous classes in the use of STP cables (each pair in a shield plus a shield covering four pairs) connected with shielded connectors. Completion of work on the standard is expected in the years 2000-2001. For this class of cabling, it will be possible to implement data transmission systems with speeds significantly exceeding 1Gb/s






Regards[/quote]

grizzly what are you talking about?
A telephone cord is not twisted pair. In the telephone line, the wires go side by side and are not twisted - where do you see a twisted pair there??

Eh, I put the twisted pair because I'm making networks
And as for the telephone one, the tpsa put us on DSL connections (8-pair twisted pair in this case) and on the same one (almost 4-pair) I was making overhangs about 70m in total over the road and then to the houses and it worked great too.
And as for this screen, if it was worse, it wouldn't be done, and it wouldn't be more expensive than ordinary UTP ...

grzesiox wrote:

Eh, I put the twisted pair because I'm making networks

Approx!

grzesiox wrote:

And as for the telephone one, this tpsa put us for DSL connections (8 pair twisted pair in this case) ...

yes that's right - DSL connections....

grzesiox wrote:

on the same (almost 4ro steam) I did overhang about 70m in total over the road and then to the houses and it worked great too.

it could be - maybe it's category 5 wire??

grzesiox wrote:

And as for this screen, if it was worse, it wouldn't be done, and it wouldn't be more expensive than ordinary UTP ...

think why FTP is more expensive than UTP???
maybe because there is a different production technology??, or more simply - for the production of which cable you will use more material??
Regards

Okay, you're right about the prices, but it's still recommended to give stp or even ftp (I think that's what it was called), especially if there are external interference ...
Anyway, what we're arguing about is important and it works and checked
And as for the permits, as above, a few people except me wrote that's how it is, PS I don't recommend tpsa poles because they often watch their poles and don't like to have other cables than theirs

Hello

let's wait for my friend "Skorek" - I think all possibilities have been presented to him, he should finally start working, or maybe he already did?? ;)

as for the "left" overhangs - it's like with everything in life, if you have everything legally - you sleep peacefully, in a different situation - it all depends on people or chance, someone will find it and catch it, someone else will not notice, yet another nods his hand - the choice is yours

kasprzyk wrote:

you must be sure that nothing passes under the road - otherwise don't risk it......

According to the arcana of construction art, nothing is allowed to pass under roads of communication importance to a depth of 35 cm below the lower part of the surface - it's so serious.

And not seriously, it depends, to a large extent, in what years this road was "laid", because under communism it was different And it is not known whether the neighbor who watches the neighborhood has not already pulled something under the road for himself (some kind of storm or something) ;-)

Added after 7 [minutes]:

arturs69 wrote:

Hello. Reading some posts with "partisan" advice, my hair stands on end. After all, methods such as: cutting asphalt, pushing a pipe under a road (including a municipal road) without permission, etc. are breaking the law...

In a country where breaking the law [the Constitution of the Republic of Poland and your, Mine, Our right to self-determination and freedom of choice bows down] is done by law, no other breaking has the right to be condemned . And let me quote the already famous law on subscription for owning a TV set :D

Let's not touch the issue of criminal law here as long as it's in a heap ... because if we dig it up, it can get unpleasant. Let's leave that to those who get paid for it