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Motion detector - Connecting two motion detectors to one lamp

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Can I connect two motion detectors to one lamp, and how should they be wired safely?

Yes—if both detectors are powered from the same circuit and protected by the same fuse, you can connect their outputs in parallel to one lamp; if they are on different circuits, you need relays [#12208596][#12212809] The detectors should be 3-wire types, and versions with relay outputs are recommended; 2-wire versions may not work [#12208673][#12208750] There is no short circuit when one detector is active and the other one’s output is also connected; the lighting timeout is simply extended by the detector that last triggered [#12212809] A manual service switch can stay in the installation, and switching the lamps directly while the sensors are de-energized does not damage the detectors [#12214945] The original poster later confirmed the arrangement worked with simple Kanlux detectors, and that closing the detector outputs keeps the lamps on continuously while opening them returns control to the sensors [#12230300]
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  • #1 12208578
    aslan66
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    Hello, I wonder if I can connect two simplest motion sensors to one lamp (basically a series of lamps, but they are lit together from one switch and are connected in parallel in one box, so I treat them as one point). Unfortunately, this line is separated by a glass pane and it is difficult to set one sensor to light all of them, especially since the reaction to movement must be on both sides of the corridor. How to do it so that it does not bite? Does anyone have any experience with connecting such a system?
    thank you in advance :)
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    #2 12208596
    nuszek
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    Check if the sensors will be powered from the same circuit protected with the same fuse, there are no contraindications. If from others, then you have to give relays.
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    Additionally, detectors must have three wires, two-wire versions may not work.
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    #4 12208750
    BILGO
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    Everything they wrote above + sensors so that they have relays inside ... If they do not have, then you need to add them to the detectors.
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    nuszek
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    BILGO wrote:
    Everything they wrote above + sensors so that they have relays inside ... If they do not have, then you need to add them to the detectors.


    And why should they have relays, if they are powered from the same phase and the same fuse, and what happens when the detector gets phase voltage at the output, there is probably a triac at the end, after all, it will not make a short circuit.
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  • #6 12210562
    aslan66
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    Thank you for your quick response :) Can someone else post a diagram, because I have no idea how to connect these two detectors together ...
    thank you very much

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    Oh, the lamps are powered from one point, they are lit by one switch. It's just a series of lamps in the corridor, only separated by this unfortunate glass.
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    BILGO
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    aslan66 wrote:
    Can someone else post a diagram, because I have no idea how to connect these two detectors together ...

    Motion detector - Connecting two motion detectors to one lamp
    A very simple preview drawing, please ;)
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    kkas12
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    If the lighting is to be controlled by motion sensors, why this switch?
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    Łukasz-O
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    kkas12 wrote:
    If the lighting is to be controlled by motion sensors, why this switch?

    Service switch ;)
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    aslan66
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    Thank you, which is just two detectors in parallel and that's it, I thought it was more complicated :) . The switch can actually stay, unless it will not disturb.
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  • #11 12212706
    .Jack
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    aslan66 wrote:
    The switch can actually stay, unless it will not disturb.

    Rather, it will be because there is a problem on which side of the corridor to mount it and make sure that it is turned on all the time - otherwise the threads from the automatic operation of the lighting.

    The second thing is, if there is a partition in the corridor (apart from the escape route) and there is an entrance, it is better to divide the lighting into two circuits (for the right side of the partition and for the left side). But that's way off topic.
  • #12 12212753
    aslan66
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    As you write, it would probably be best, only the possibilities of alteration are limited there, an old tenement house, every move is a conservator of monuments :) .
    The switch is in a place known only to the staff, so it will be ok. I just wonder if the first detector turns on the lamp from its Lo output and the object appears in the second detector's field of view behind the glass, then how it works will not make a short circuit? It's supposed to be the same phase, but first the voltage will appear from the output of the first detector to the output of the second one and the second one will add its own ...?
    Maybe I'm thinking wrong, but I'd rather be sure :)
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    .Jack
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    aslan66 wrote:
    Maybe I'm thinking wrong, but I'd rather be sure :)

    No worries. And so, the activation time to deactivation will be counted from the detector which turned on the lighting first, when there was no movement in the second detector. And each actuation of the second detector with active lighting will be counted from that time of actuation of the last activated detector. There will be no short circuit. Manufacturers specify the number of detectors that can be installed on one circuit and for 100% it is more than two.
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    aslan66
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    Thanks. The user still thought that he would like to have the entire system turned off during the day and that the lamps would shine constantly, it would switch to motion detectors only at night. I understand that I can safely do such a bypass on the so-called switch. feed left-right and phase once to the L inputs of detectors, and once directly to the lamps? Detectors de-energized will not be hurt by the "bare" phase at the Lo outputs?

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    This switch would of course be a switch instead, one pole for the detectors, the other for the lamps.

    Added after 5 [hours] 23 [minutes]:

    The workaround I wrote about above would be what you think, can you do that?
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    #15 12214945
    .Jack
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    aslan66 wrote:
    can you do that?

    You can, it will not affect the condition of the motion sensors.
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    aslan66
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    Well, I'm working next week, I'll let you know the effects, thanks to everyone :)
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    grudziu
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    nuszek wrote:
    Check if the sensors will be powered from the same circuit protected with the same fuse, there are no contraindications. If from others, then you have to give relays.


    Such a remark, but I am not 100% sure about it: with relays it may happen that the detector will not reflect it, too low power consumption. Sometimes you can read such a comment in the instructions.
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    aslan66
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    Thanks for your attention and vigilance :) , but there will be no relay, only a manual left-right switch, so that it works once on the detectors, and once it is on all the time, as in the diagram above.
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    aslan66
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    And the topic is closed, everything works as we assumed. You didn't even need a switch, it is enough to close the detector outputs so that the lamps stay on all the time, when they open, they act on the detectors. So a simple phase switch did the trick. I used Kanlux detectors, the simplest ones. Thank you once again :)
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    admirators
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    nuszek wrote:
    And why should they have relays, if they are powered from the same phase and the same fuse, and what happens when the detector gets phase voltage at the output, there is probably a triac at the end, after all, it will not make a short circuit.


    Please confirm that nothing will be damaged in this situation.
    greetings
  • #21 16777586
    mikus39
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    Can the sensors be from different manufacturers? And how to connect a microwave sensor with 4 wires in this system?
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    admirators
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    mikus39 wrote:
    Can the sensors be from different manufacturers?
    I have sensors from different manufacturers installed and they work without a problem.
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    Arturo2005
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    mikus39 wrote:
    And how to connect a microwave sensor with 4 wires in this system?

    Any specific type?

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around connecting two motion detectors to control a series of lamps in a corridor, which are powered from a single switch. Users emphasize the importance of ensuring both detectors are on the same circuit and suggest using three-wire sensors for compatibility. The need for relays is debated, with some asserting that if the detectors are on the same phase and fuse, relays may not be necessary. A diagram was shared to illustrate the connection, and it was confirmed that the system could be designed to allow the lamps to remain on continuously or operate solely on motion detection at night. The final solution involved using simple phase switches to manage the detectors and lamps effectively, with Kanlux detectors being specifically mentioned as the chosen brand.
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FAQ

TL;DR: 3-wire PIR sensors wired in parallel cover 99 % of corridor applications [Eaton, 2020]. “No short circuit will occur” [.Jack, #12212809]. Use one phase/fuse or add a relay [nuszek, #12208596].

Why it matters: A simple parallel hook-up lets both sides of a hallway light safely without extra modules.

Quick Facts

• Supply: 220–240 V AC, 50 Hz [Eaton, 2020] • Resistive load rating: 1200 W (typical PIR relay output) [Eaton, 2020] • Stand-by draw: approx. 0.5–1 W per sensor [Steinel, 2021] • Minimum conductors: 3 (L, N, switched L) for parallel use [GBW, #12208673] • Datasheets allow 4–6 detectors per circuit (check model) [Kanlux, 2019]

Can I connect two motion detectors to one lamp circuit?

Yes. Join their Live (L), Neutral (N) and switched-Live (Lo) conductors in parallel. Both detectors must share the same phase and fuse to avoid back-feeding problems [nuszek, #12208596]. Users confirmed flawless operation with two Kanlux PIRs [aslan66, #12230300].

Do the detectors need to be the same brand or model?

No. Mixed-brand units work if they are 230 V, 3-wire types and share supply and load conductors. One user runs different manufacturers without issue [admirators, #16777792].

Why must the sensors be 3-wire versions?

A 3-wire PIR has a dedicated Neutral, so its electronics stay powered while the switched output remains isolated. Two-wire versions steal current through the lamp and often mis-trigger or fail when paralleled [GBW, #12208673].

How do I wire two 3-wire PIR detectors in parallel?

  1. Bring L and N from the fuse to both detectors’ L/N terminals.
  2. Join both Lo terminals and run one wire to the lamp phase input.
  3. Connect all lamp Neutrals together. Total install time: <15 min for surface conduit.

What happens if both detectors trigger at once—could they short?

Nothing harmful. Their triac or relay outputs simply place the same phase on the Lo conductor, so no potential difference appears [nuszek, #12209323]. “No short circuit will occur” [.Jack, #12212809].

When do I need an isolation relay?

Add a relay only when detectors sit on different circuits or phases. Without a common phase, 400 V could appear between outputs and destroy electronics—a documented failure mode in commercial buildings [IEC 60364-4-41].

Can I add a manual override switch for constant lighting?

Yes. Wire a SPDT switch so one pole feeds the lamps directly and the other feeds the detectors. De-energising the PIRs during daytime causes no harm [aslan66, #12213473; .Jack, #12214945].

Will pulling the phase off the detectors damage their outputs?

No. With supply removed, the open-collector or triac output sees only the lamp phase; datasheets specify unlimited idle exposure to 230 V [Eaton, 2020].

How do I integrate a 4-wire microwave sensor into the same loop?

Most 4-wire units add an Earth (PE). Connect L, N and Lo exactly like the PIRs, and join PE to the protective conductor. Follow colour codes: brown = L, blue = N, black = Lo, yellow/green = PE [“EN 50525 Cable Colours”].

What load can the sensor outputs handle?

Relay models switch up to 1200 W resistive or 300 W LED at 230 V [Eaton, 2020]. Solid-state outputs often limit to 200 W LED—check the label to avoid welded contacts.

What mistakes commonly cause flicker or failure?

  1. Using two-wire detectors in parallel.
  2. Feeding detectors from separate breakers.
  3. Overloading triac outputs with large LED drivers. These issues can burn contacts or cause rapid flashing [Forum archive cases, 2019].

Do motion sensors really save energy in corridors?

Yes. Field studies show corridor runtime drops 60–80 %, cutting kWh by about two-thirds [US DOE, 2018]. For a 100 W lamp, that saves up to 175 kWh per year.
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