Controlling Terrace Lighting: Manual Override and Motion Sensor Activation

Good morning.
How to control the terrace lighting in such a way that it is activated by a motion sensor, with the option of manually forcing it to stay on continuously or not reacting to the motion sensor?
Connecting the motion sensor itself is not a problem, I have used it many times for halogen lamps, but how to do it so that independent control is possible?

Use a two-key switch (candlestick)? With the first section you power the motion detector and with the second section its output, i.e. lighting...

So the I-0-II switch?

No, type "candle switch" into Google... one that can switch on two circuits independently, one, the other or two at a time...



Instead of the second circuit, you add a motion detector and connect its output to the first circuit... and with one button you turn on the lighting on the detector and with the other button permanently...

Well, two at a time, probably not good when the phase from the switch activated manually meets the phase from the motion sensor at the same time? Does it matter?

I edited the post... your idea is also good, but I meant that you want to control the wall switch...

Turning off the power supply to the motion sensor and turning it on again causes the so-called sensor burn-in, i.e. momentary lighting of the lamp without detecting movement or light level.
You can use a bistable relay with or without a timer.
Pressing the button turns on the lamp (in the case of bistable with timer, for the set time), pressing it again turns off the lamp, pressing the button for approx. 3 seconds turns on the lamp permanently. Pressing the button again turns everything off. There is a relay option with memory, a function useful in the event of a power outage - the lamp will not turn on accidentally or turn off after the power returns if it was on before the power outage.
The timer option is useful when we forget to turn off the lighting, we set the time as long as possible and the lamp will go off when we forget to turn it off.
The relay output must control the lamp itself, not the motion sensor power supply.
A bit complicated, but the choice is yours.

The point is that when it's dark and I go out on the terrace, I want to be able to turn on the light. When I am away, I would like the light to turn on by itself, unless I am sleeping and there are wild cats running around on the terrace, I would like the light not to turn on, so I would like to turn it off for this occasion. :D

I was also thinking about bistable, but more for the living room, so that I could turn the light on when I enter from the terrace and turn it off on the other side when I go to the kitchen.

Ariel N. wrote:

It's probably not good when the phase from the switch activated manually meets the phase from the motion sensor at the same time? Does it matter?

After all, you connect the same phase there, so everything will be fine. Do as he suggests tomek_wlkp. This is the simplest solution to implement and to maintain later.

Let's wait until specialists in Atmega and Arduino programming speak on the topic Since one of my colleagues suggests timers and bistable relays for such a simple task, there will soon be those who will suggest the author to use Arduino of course, let the author write his own software that will measure his pulse, body temperature and shoe number, dick... Colleagues, this can be done in a simple way as I presented earlier

Ok, now a beer for whoever finds the IO II switch in the wall version xD
It turns out that the tomek_wlkp method is actually the easiest

Ariel N. wrote:

Ok, now a beer for whoever finds the IO II switch in the wall version xD
It turns out that the tomek_wlkp method is actually the easiest

So don't look for an I-0-II switch on the wall because I haven't seen one like that before... Buy a normal candlestick one and do as I suggest.

The title of the topic was: "Motion sensor lighting plus button".
I proposed a solution with a bistable relay, not a candlestick or other switch, just because there is a button.
There was no question of microprocessors and software needed for their operation.
One of the forum members does not know how to do it, the other one mocks the solution proposed, proven and used.
By the way... there is no such thing as an IO-II switch, because we call such "something" a switch.
The second thing is that we can't illuminate anything with a motion sensor, that's what the lamp is for, and the sensor is used for... control (topic title).
Third thing: a flush-mounted or surface-mounted IO-II switch is generally available, you just need to look for it.
One last thing: you have weighed the beer, so drink it yourself, as the saying goes, and call an installer who will do it because he knows how.

I was waiting for this - "call installer"
This solves the problem, I didn't think of that, I'm calling a specialist!

Hello,
I have a similar problem, but apart from forcing the lamp to be turned on using the switch, I would also like to have a switch that will completely cut off the voltage to the entire system, while limiting the number of switches. I came up with the idea of using a double stair switch - one button would be used to turn the voltage on/off to the system, and the other button would send voltage either to the sensor (and then to the lamp) or directly to the lamp - the diagram below.
The question is whether if the voltage goes directly to the lamp (then the detector also receives voltage from the output side), will it not cause a short circuit / damage to the detector (a similar situation if in the diagram shown by tomek_wlkp turn on only the switch that powers the lamp directly, and the switch powering the detector was turned off)?

Nothing will happen because all detectors (at least the ones I have dealt with) have a relay at the output...

Thanks for explaining,
Has your colleague had any experience with STEINEL detectors? I would like to use the IS 360-3 model, but no one can say specifically whether this detector will be damaged if it receives voltage at the output (I don't want to experiment because the detector is not cheap).
Thank you in advance

Added after 2 [hours] 13 [minutes]:

Refers to the above question
I found the instructions for the above sensor and the connection diagrams show that such connections are possible (the options given by the manufacturer are the use of a candlestick or stair switch).

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If anyone wants it, here's it:

https://www.langelukaszuk.pl/fileadmin/Product/DOKUMENTY/instrukcja_steinel_is360-3de.pdf

I will find out whether it is possible to somehow connect a halogen LED with a built-in sensor and probably a voltage transformer due to the LED. I don't think it's possible to simply connect the phase via the button behind the detector :(

This is a typical market halogen lamp.

Regards

PS Arduino etc. is not an option - it's a carport