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jumper cables - why plus to plus and minus to ground and not minus?

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  • #1 13247825
    przemek580
    Level 10  
    Hello

    This is probably a layman question for professionals, but I would like to know, because I have noticed for a long time in the manuals of devices for starting cars, jumpers, a connection diagram in which the red cable connects plus to plus and the black one connects the minus pole of a working battery to ground (some metal part somewhere in the engine compartment of an inoperative vehicle) - so far, as I have seen, everyone has standard plus plus minus minus minus - what is the cause of this new scheme?

    greetings
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  • #2 13247862
    riddyk
    Level 20  
    The fact that there is a certain resistance between the ground and the negative and this will limit the current when connecting the batteries.
  • #3 13247945
    mrmsim
    Level 11  
    This is probably also due to the fact that in many new cars the access to the battery is difficult (Mercedes Sprinter in the cabin under the floor, only the positive pole is located under the hood. Citroen C4 Picasso easy access to the plus, but to the minus without tools, no access) and not everyone must be familiar with it and know everything, which is why the instructions are probably adapted to today's realities. greetings
  • #4 13247959
    darkus1212
    Level 15  
    This is stupid to me. After all, the plus and minus cables in a car have such a large cross-section and minimal length that voltage drops are negligible. Logically, when connecting the clamp to the steel element, it will have a worse contact than to the battery clamp. In addition, the clamp is quite large, the clamp needs to be expanded more, which means greater clamp pressure. I do not know why someone came up with it, since there is a greater drop on generally available "starter cables" with a cross-section of 2mm kw and steel clamps than on this piece of wire, which is about 35mm sq. Regards.
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  • #5 13248048
    SlawekL
    Level 12  
    We assume that the "recipient" battery is discharged. Then, when connecting a functional "donor" battery, the "recipient" battery is rapidly charged, which is associated with gas release. Connecting / disconnecting the negative terminal always causes arcing which may ignite these gases.
  • #6 13248729
    Staszek49
    Level 35  
    In my opinion, Sławek is right. Sparking occurs when making connections which may cause gases to explode and be spilled with acid. My brother had 2 such cases, but in a truck. In my opinion, first connect the pluses and then the minus clamp, e.g. to the engine block (recipient), i.e. away from the battery.
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  • #7 13248854
    darkus1212
    Level 15  
    I have a different opinion, the battery is gassing during the charging process, but not before, after connecting the charging, the gases must leave the battery and reach the terminals, so the sparking occurs before the gases are at the terminals, therefore, this theory is not true or so it seems.
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  • #8 13248919
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    Health and safety considerations - only and exclusively. The closing cable should be connected away from the battery. In case the battery is short-circuited or gassed strongly (in the donor car in which the engine is working or the engine has just been running).
  • #9 13249217
    przemek580
    Level 10  
    I would also be inclined that it is rather done for security
  • #10 13250860
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #11 21124453
    gukasar
    Level 9  
    Dear All,
    Unfortunately unaware of the above and through time pressure I grabbed the cables at short notice and connected plus to plus minus to minus
    Recipient Corolla 1.8H 2019
    Donor Fiat panda 2003
    So far all ok - due to the extensive electronics in my hybrid car; do I have anything to fear, what to check?
  • #12 21124564
    user64
    Level 34  
    You don't have to worry about anything.
    However, you should also know that this is an emergency procedure, so get the car in good condition.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the proper method of connecting jumper cables when jump-starting a vehicle, specifically the practice of connecting the positive terminal of the donor battery to the positive terminal of the recipient battery, while connecting the negative terminal of the donor battery to a ground point on the recipient vehicle instead of directly to its negative terminal. Participants highlight that this method reduces the risk of sparking near the battery, which can release explosive gases during charging. Concerns about accessibility to battery terminals in modern vehicles and the potential for arcing and gas ignition are also discussed. Some users share personal experiences with incorrect connections and their outcomes, emphasizing the importance of following safety protocols.
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