Understanding Single-Family House Electrical Measurements: SEP 1kV D+E+ Protocol

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#31 18072066 21 Jul 2019 12:07

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18072066 21 Jul 2019 12:07

wojciech_pi wrote:
Hello "old surveyors"

I have such a dilemma
whether to sign the test report of the new elec. in home :
"The installation is operational"
despite the fact that in the comment field I have to write:
"Plug sockets in bathrooms to be replaced with type IP44"

Greetings

No Under such a protocol you should write. "Installation inconsistent with the regulations, not suitable for operation" and in practice, you do not issue a protocol to the client, but you inform him that if he does not remove the indicated defects, you can only issue a negative one.
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#32 18072356 21 Jul 2019 14:29

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18072356 21 Jul 2019 14:29

mikmedia wrote:

wojciech_pi wrote:
Hello "old surveyors"

I have such a dilemma
whether to sign the test report of the new elec. in home :
"The installation is operational"
despite the fact that in the comment field I have to write:
"Plug sockets in bathrooms to be replaced with type IP44"

Greetings

No Under such a protocol you should write. "Installation inconsistent with the regulations, not suitable for operation" and in practice, you do not issue a protocol to the client, but you inform him that if he does not remove the indicated defects, you can only issue a negative one.

Not true. If there are no objections to the rest of the installation, it is put into operation except for the part to which you object .
Some time (a week, two, month) is allowed for the removal of the precisely specified faults and a clause is added that the report on the removal of the fault (e.g. replacement of the socket) can be signed by any electrician with qualifications E (if the installation measurements were previously carried out) or E + measurements (if the measurement on this socket must be made after replacement). An additional protocol for replacing the socket will be attached to the main measurement protocol.

The tester cannot disqualify the entire installation just because there is an error somewhere in it.
#33 18073796 22 Jul 2019 11:33

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18073796 22 Jul 2019 11:33

retrofood wrote:

mikmedia wrote:

wojciech_pi wrote:
Hello "old surveyors"

I have such a dilemma
whether to sign the test report of the new elec. in home :
"The installation is operational"
despite the fact that in the comment field I have to write:
"Plug sockets in bathrooms to be replaced with type IP44"

Greetings

No Under such a protocol you should write. "Installation inconsistent with the regulations, not suitable for operation" and in practice, you do not issue a protocol to the client, but you inform him that if he does not remove the indicated defects, you can only issue a negative one.

Not true. If there are no objections to the rest of the installation, it is put into operation except for the part to which you object .
Some time (a week, two, month) is allowed for the removal of the precisely specified faults and a clause is added that the report on the removal of the fault (e.g. replacement of the socket) can be signed by any electrician with qualifications E (if the installation measurements were previously carried out) or E + measurements (if the measurement on this socket must be made after replacement). An additional protocol for replacing the socket will be attached to the main measurement protocol.

The tester cannot disqualify the entire installation just because there is an error somewhere in it.

You complicate it to the maximum. The question concerns the specific situation in a new, unfinished single-family house. I wrote how it is done in practice without complications. Usually, in such a case, the investor immediately orders such a simple exchange to the company of the controlling person.
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#34 18074584 22 Jul 2019 19:08

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18074584 22 Jul 2019 19:08

retrofood wrote:
It is not true, if there are no objections to the rest of the installation, it is allowed to operate with the exception of the part to which objections are made.
The tester cannot disqualify the entire installation just because there is an error in some place.

Not true.
Recently, the construction supervisor questioned my protocol with a similar statement: "subject to rectification of faults" (and it is insignificant).
It was stated that the ENTIRE installation is to be operational, not just its individual parts.
Abo efficient or not functional.
#35 18075124 22 Jul 2019 22:54

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18075124 22 Jul 2019 22:54

e-sparks wrote:

retrofood wrote:
Not true. If there are no objections to the rest of the installation, it shall be put into operation with the exception of the part to which objections are made.
The tester cannot disqualify the entire installation just because there is an error in some place.

Not true.
Recently, the construction supervisor questioned my protocol with a similar statement: "subject to rectification of faults" (and it is insignificant).
It was stated that the ENTIRE installation is to be operational, not just its individual parts.
Abo efficient or inoperative.

Exactly. The defect is a malfunction, so it cannot be stated in the protocol that the installation as a whole is operational, since it is not. You can conditionally allow, for example, the "old" installation, the parameters of which are within the lower limits of the standard, but this is a completely different situation.
#36 18363159 27 Dec 2019 18:54

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18363159 27 Dec 2019 18:54

Hello,
I have a dilemma, because tomorrow I am going to an installation inspection, where there are still old post-discharge fuses. I hope the measurements will be normal. The case concerns the setting up of the meter (the house was out of date for several years, because it was for sale)
But my question, are these topics still acceptable? I have not done measurements with such protections yet, especially since if it is ok, I have to raise OST for Tauron and whether they will not stick when putting on the meter.
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#37 18363216 27 Dec 2019 19:15

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18363216 27 Dec 2019 19:15

przecin11 wrote:

But my question, are these topics still acceptable?

Why should it be unacceptable? If you put the correct k factor and describe it according to reality, I don't see any problems.
You are to measure and describe the existing facts, the user has the power conditions.
#38 18363226 27 Dec 2019 19:20

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18363226 27 Dec 2019 19:20

Hello.
By the way, why should TAURON stick to the internal installation, which is not their responsibility?
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#39 18363247 27 Dec 2019 19:30

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18363247 27 Dec 2019 19:30

While still working in the company full-time, I had a situation when he came to connect the meter, let's call the old "servant". It even clung to the fact that the aluminum cable goes from vertical. (old tenement house). Also, many things have already surprised me. Of course, he connected, but how much he talked about how it should be done, etc., it's mine
Internal installation - yes, in my case, I know that.
#40 18363384 27 Dec 2019 20:24

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18363384 27 Dec 2019 20:24

przecin11 wrote:
While still working in the company full-time, I had a situation when he came to connect the meter, let's call the old "clerk" by his name.

Now employees of external companies providing services are coming and are supposed to do only what they are paid for.
#41 18363512 27 Dec 2019 20:59

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18363512 27 Dec 2019 20:59

przecin11 wrote:
I hope the measurements will be normal.
What measurements?

przecin11 wrote:
The case concerns the setting up of the meter (the house was out of date for several years, because it was for sale)
And how do you check the IPZ. Insulation resistance only.

przecin11 wrote:
if it's ok, I have to OST raise for Tauron
And what does Tauron require?
#42 18363555 27 Dec 2019 21:13

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18363555 27 Dec 2019 21:13

In the dark, I will not raise OST for the client. I have to check the installation, even organoleptically, whether there are even fuses, wire connections at the fuses, etc.
Yes, I will only do resistance, because IPZ is probably only with the aggregate Well, don't be on the details. I do not know if Tauron requires any measurements, but if the meter has been down for more than 30 days, an inspection and inspection of the installation is required. What if it turns out that the installation will catch fire, because, for example, the fuses will be wired with a rope? (and it can be done in such a way that they are unrecognizable - I used to paddle myself). I subscribe to it and take responsibility for it. And if I find that the installation is unusable, I simply will not sign it. So much.
#43 18363574 27 Dec 2019 21:17

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18363574 27 Dec 2019 21:17

Przecin11 wrote:
In the dark, I will not raise OST for the client. I have to check the installation, even organoleptically, whether there are even fuses, wire connections at the fuses, etc.
Yes, I will only do resistance, because IPZ is probably only with the aggregate Well, don't be on the details. I do not know if Tauron requires any measurements, but if the meter has been down for more than 30 days, an inspection and inspection of the installation is required. What if it turns out that the installation will catch fire, because, for example, the fuses will be wired with a rope?
Buddy, it's called a visual inspection of the installation in a broad sense.
And possible IPZ measurements from the aggregate, without the specified target voltage, are an error and a mockery. You mustn't do that.
#44 18363640 27 Dec 2019 21:37

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18363640 27 Dec 2019 21:37

przecin11 wrote:
I don't know if Tauron requires any measurements

przecin11 wrote:
I have to OST raise for Tauron and whether they will not cling when setting up the meter.
Ask in Tauron.
#45 18363658 27 Dec 2019 21:42

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And possible IPZ measurements from the aggregate, without the specified target voltage, are an error and a mockery. You mustn't do that.

Of course you can't. I wrote it in the form of a joke. Probably every electrician knows that such things are not used.
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the protocol for conducting electrical measurements in single-family houses, specifically under the SEP 1kV D+E+ standards. Users share insights on the PN-HD 60364-6 standard, which includes templates for protocols in its appendices. Participants emphasize the importance of visual inspections alongside measurement results, noting that protocols can be customized based on specific needs. There are references to the significance of including detailed information in protocols, such as circuit identification and measurement results. The conversation also touches on the necessity of various tests, including insulation resistance and RCD tests, and the legal implications of protocol accuracy during inspections. Users express concerns about the clarity of existing templates and the need for practical examples to guide new surveyors.
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