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Connecting 3-Phase RCD: L1 L2 L3 PEN & L1 L2 L3 PN Wiring Diagrams (with Diagram Link)

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  • #1 13722902
    mixonni
    Level 9  
    Hello.
    I am looking for differential connection diagrams and what about other answers.
    So my question is: how to connect a 3-phase differential when we have L1 L2 L3 PEN available, and how to connect when we have L1 L2 L3 PN?
    Below I am attaching the diagram that I found.
    Is it correct?
    Connecting 3-Phase RCD: L1 L2 L3 PEN & L1 L2 L3 PN Wiring Diagrams (with Diagram Link)
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  • #2 13722912
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    Rubberize that yellow line and you already have a properly connected differential?
    What else do you want
  • #3 13722956
    sjbar
    Level 14  
    In my opinion, this yellow wire is PE and it is necessary for the proper functioning of the differential.
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  • #4 13722965
    pol102
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    sjbar wrote:
    In my opinion, this yellow wire is PE and it is necessary for the proper functioning of the differential.


    Maybe a colleague will learn the principle of operation of the RCD!
  • #5 13722969
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    But the question was clear - How to connect a residual current circuit breaker? so what is the problem ?
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    #6 13722972
    .Jack
    Electrician specialist
    mixonni wrote:
    I am looking for differential connection diagrams and what about other answers.

    The residual current circuit breaker is always connected in the same way, regardless of the electrical system layout. Of course, except for TN-C - the installation of an RCD is not recommended here.
    In the TN system, a neutral and a protective conductor should be separated. And it is in this excretion the whole pic. Nothing more. The PE protective conductor and the PEN protective neutral conductor must not be broken.
  • #7 13722974
    jann111
    Level 33  
    sjbar wrote:
    this yellow wire is PE

    Where should it start?
  • #8 13722982
    fighter
    Level 21  
    Once mixoni's colleague is familiar with TT and TN network types, he should be able to deduce and draw the RCD wiring diagram himself.

    Soon we will be writing how to screw the fuse into the socket, whether to turn left or right.
  • #9 13723094
    mixonni
    Level 9  
    It is about the PE conductor, I have already turned, because everyone says differently, do we put the differential together with N or directly on the receiver? And how do we break it down in the case of PEN?
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    #10 13723100
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    mixonni wrote:
    it is about the PE conductor, I have already turned around because everyone speaks differently, do we put a differential with N or directly on the receiver? and how we split it in the case of PEN ?
    And here is the dog buried. That's what the busbars, distribution blocks, etc. are for.
    Don't listen to "everyone" because they don't know.
  • #11 13723133
    mikolaj.
    Level 14  
    Buddy, the whole essence of the RCD is to turn off when the current flows from L to PE instead of L to N, PE is not connected to the differential, PEN is divided into PE and N conductors BEFORE the differential, looking from the supply network, Distribution point it is grounded.

    Moderated By kkas12:

    3.1.11. It is forbidden to publish entries that do not contain substantive content, contain harmful advice, advice that is not an attempt to solve the problem, and the publication of identical entries consecutive or repeating information from the discussion.

    One more piece of advice on grounding the PEN breakdown site and there will be a "reward".

  • #12 13723139
    haneb
    Level 24  
    mikolaj. wrote:
    The split point is grounded.

    The PE is earthed and not the split point.
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  • #13 13723147
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    mikolaj. wrote:
    Buddy, the whole essence of the RCD is to turn off when the current flows from L to PE instead of L to N, PE is not connected to the differential, PEN is divided into PE and N conductors BEFORE the differential, looking from the supply network side, The split point is grounded .
    Next! Prove it!
    On the tenth floor too ... is it grounded?
  • #14 13723199
    mixonni
    Level 9  
    So the diagram I have attached (except the yellow line) is fine and we put PE from the strip to the receiver? and do we ground the separation point in the PEN situation?
  • #15 13723221
    pol102
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    mixonni wrote:
    and do we ground the separation point in the PEN situation?

    There is no such obligation.
  • #16 13723501
    bartekfigura
    Level 29  
    PE and PEN are earthed in places where it is possible. But there is no obligation to ground the split point. How do you ground a split point on the 20th floor? Only for a flower pot, I guess :D (joke). That is why you do not ground the "split point", but you need to ground the PE conductor and the PEN conductor. PEN is most often grounded in the junction. and PE runs from the housing switchboard to GSW. (Main equalizer rail).
  • #17 13723518
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    No buddy, not because there is no obligation to ground the PEN partition point, but because this point can be located in various places and the PE conductor breakage can introduce a real risk of electric shock.
    Therefore, the PE bus must be earthed.

    The grounding of the PEN in the joint is irrelevant to the contractor.
  • #18 13723827
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #19 13725418
    Akrzy74
    Rest in Peace
    mixonni wrote:
    I am looking for differential connection diagrams and what about other answers.

    A friend deigns to joke! Please read current topics.
  • #20 16404604
    Mikhaił
    Level 16  
    Hello, I will stick to the topic ...

    Today I encountered something like this, PE is plugged in instead of N, is it correctly connected? The RCD protects the winch, there is no neutral wire.

    Connecting 3-Phase RCD: L1 L2 L3 PEN & L1 L2 L3 PN Wiring Diagrams (with Diagram Link)
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  • #21 16404693
    Brivido

    Level 34  
    If it is indeed PE then it needs to be disconnected from the RCD and joined together.
  • #22 16404754
    Mikhaił
    Level 16  
    Ok, if the PE is only connected to the rail, then the residual current circuit breaker will still fulfill its function?
  • #23 16404815
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    The absence of a neutral wire is unacceptable as it makes it impossible to perform the test in this apparatus.
    This switch should be replaced with one that has the test circuit connected between the two phases.
    Then everything will be ok.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the proper connection of a 3-phase residual current device (RCD) in systems with L1, L2, L3 PEN and L1, L2, L3 PN configurations. Participants emphasize the importance of correctly wiring the protective earth (PE) and neutral (N) conductors, particularly in TN systems where the PEN conductor must be split into separate PE and N conductors before the RCD. The necessity of grounding the PE conductor and the PEN conductor at appropriate points is highlighted, with some debate on whether the split point should be grounded. The conversation also touches on the implications of incorrect wiring, such as connecting PE instead of N, and the potential risks involved. Diagrams are referenced to clarify the connections, and the need for proper understanding of electrical systems is stressed.
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