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Goat Stove Connection: Chimney-free Summer House - Selecting Pipes, Wall Pass-through & Isolation

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How can I install a low-cost stove chimney in a brick summer house with a wooden/chipboard ceiling, including pipe type, wall or roof penetration, insulation, and whether I need an elbow or a tee?

The safest and most sensible solution is to use a proper prefabricated chimney system with an inner flue liner and keep it away from all combustible parts; do not run exhaust through wood/chipboard or solve the penetration with a larger hole and silicone [#13934157] [#13953151] [#14018674] A brick or hollow-block shaft is only a load-bearing outer structure, so the flue gases must go through a ceramic or steel insert inside it, not through the blocks themselves [#14018674] [#14017967] If the wall is brick, the brick itself does not need extra insulation, but anywhere the chimney passes near wood or other combustible materials you must maintain safe distances and use non-combustible insulation; long uninsulated sections make draft worse and increase soot/tar buildup [#13955716] [#13934157] Avoid tees and sharp bends if you can, because they make cleaning harder and raise the soot-fire risk; if you must offset the pipe, a gentler 45°/segmented bend is better and the chimney should remain cleanable from above [#14023126] [#14028431] If part of the chimney will be outside, insulate it rather than leaving a long cold section, because cold pipes soot up quickly and weaken draft [#13934157] [#13955716] [#14028431]
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    ScudoScudo
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    Does anyone know where you can buy such "temp guard high pitched cathedral ceiling" as in the picture above, or as it is called in Polish, and where to look for it. I will be grateful. best regards
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Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the installation of a cast iron stove in a summer house without a chimney. Key concerns include selecting appropriate pipes for the internal chimney, ensuring safety against fire hazards, and maintaining proper insulation. Participants emphasize the importance of using insulated pipes to prevent heat loss and soot buildup, and they discuss various configurations for passing pipes through walls and roofs. Recommendations include using ceramic pipes within hollow bricks for safety and efficiency, and ensuring easy access for cleaning. Ventilation strategies are debated, with some advocating for external air supply to improve combustion and reduce drafts. Cost-effective solutions are sought, with participants sharing insights on materials and construction methods.

FAQ

TL;DR: 10 m³ of air is needed per kg of coal burned; “Any error can cause a fire” [Elektroda, gaz4, post #13934157] Follow 150 mm clearances and use insulated pass-throughs to keep draft and safety high. Why it matters: wrong pipe or spacing risks 1 000 °C soot-fire temperatures.

Quick Facts

• Black stove-pipe price: ~80 PLN / m [Elektroda, luczija88, post #13932161] • Minimum 150 mm gap from single-wall flue to combustibles [EN 15287-1] • 10 m³ combustion air per 1 kg of coal [Elektroda, gaz4, post #14038519] • Soot fire can spike pipe temperature to ≈1 000 °C ("NFPA Wood Stove Safety") • Basic ceramic-liner chimney kit: approx. 1 000 – 1 300 PLN (“System-Komin Price List 2024”)

1. Which pipe material is safest for an internal goat-stove chimney?

Use 2 mm black steel or 0.8 mm stainless, certified to EN 1856-2. They resist 600 °C flue gases and occasional 1 000 °C soot fires. Galvanised or thin sheet rusts and can melt at 419 °C, so avoid it [Elektroda, gaz4, post #13934157]

2. Can I replace expensive fireplace pipe with cheap ventilation duct?

No. Vent ducts lack heat rating and sealing. Failure at 450 °C can release CO and ignite wood. "Combustibles must never touch the flue" [Elektroda, gaz4, post #13934157]

3. Do I need a double-wall section through a wall or roof?

Yes. Double-wall or factory-made insulated sleeve keeps outer skin below 85 °C and maintains draft by reducing cooling [EN 15287-1].

4. How large should the opening be where the pipe passes timber?

Cut a hole 2× pipe diameter. Centre the flue, pack the annulus with 50 mm mineral wool, then install a metal collar [EN 1856-2].

5. Tee or elbow for an outside chimney run?

Use a tee with clean-out cap. It lets soot fall into the cap, not the stove. Elbow setups clog faster and need roof-top cleaning [Elektroda, gaz4, post #14023126]

6. Will 1.5 m of uninsulated pipe outside kill draft?

Expect 20–30 % weaker draft and heavy condensate below 5 °C ambient. Creosote builds twice as fast on the cold steel [Elektroda, gaz4, post #14023126]

7. How can I add combustion air without cutting extra vents?

Run a 110 mm PVC or inox duct from outside to the stove base. It delivers the required 10 m³ / kg fuel and stops room depressurisation [Elektroda, gaz4, post #14033558]

8. How often must I clean the chimney?

For weekend use, sweep every 2 months or after 50 kg wood. A goat burning damp wood may clog in two weeks [Elektroda, gaz4, post #14028431]

9. 3-step how-to: sweeping a goat-stove flue

  1. Extinguish fire, allow pipe to cool below 50 °C.
  2. Remove clean-out cap or top cowl; run stiff nylon brush full length.
  3. Collect soot, inspect for cracks, re-fit components.

10. Can hollow clay blocks work without a ceramic liner?

No. Blocks are structural only. Exhaust through bare clay risks cracks and CO leakage [Elektroda, jack63, post #14018674]

11. How do I support heavy vertical pipe on a small cast-iron goat?

Add a wall bracket every 2 m and a floor pedestal just above the stove collar. Do not load more than 20 kg on the appliance flue spigot (“Jeremias Support Guide 2023”).

12. What is a “temp-guard high-pitched cathedral ceiling” called in Polish?

It’s an "przejście dachowe systemowe do dachów stromych"; look under "przejście dachowe izolowane 30–45°" at chimney-supply shops [Elektroda, ScudoScudo, post #16707730]

13. May I combine black stove pipe indoors and stainless twin-wall outside?

Yes, if diameters match and joints stay male-down, female-up. Seal with high-temp silicone rated 1 200 °C and secure with locking bands [Elektroda, luczija88, post #14029858]

14. Cheapest safe setup for a 50 m² brick summer house?

Run 3 m black steel inside, add insulated ceiling pass-through, then 1.5 m stainless twin-wall above roof. Parts cost roughly 900 – 1 100 PLN; meets clearance rules and keeps soot manageable [Elektroda, luczija88, post #14022326]
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