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Merlo Loader: Replacing Damaged Hydraulic Pump Controller with Two Relays

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How can I replace the damaged Merlo loader hydraulic-pump controller with a regulator that smoothly drives the proportional solenoid valves?

You should use a PWM/current controller for the proportional solenoid valves, not a simple linear voltage regulator or relay switch, because the original SUSMIC unit drives the coils with pulsed current and also uses pedal, engine-speed, and brake inputs [#14153372][#14670306][#14687502] Measurements from a working machine showed about 100 Hz PWM, with duty cycle changing from roughly 2 ms on/8 ms off at idle to 6 ms on/4 ms off at full pedal, and the pedal characteristic is non-linear [#14670306][#14783740] Another reply noted that the valve coils start moving around 0.45 A and reach maximum drive near 0.7 A, so the controller has to regulate current, not just voltage [#14687502] One practical workaround that was tested was an AVT PWM kit adapted to the original 5 kΩ pedal potentiometer, plus a separate 12 V/5 A stabilizer to stop resets; it worked smoothly but only over part of the pedal travel [#14887467][#14888771]
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  • #31 14783740
    azalewsk
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    I finally wrote the program. In the process of running it, it came out that the PIC16F876A processor gives a minimum PWM frequency of 1.2 kHz instead of 100 Hz and it might be a problem to fully drive the solenoid valve. I have ordered a more suitable PIC16F1717 and will try to fire it up on the Merlo machine. When it starts I will make a circuit board. By the way, I will add an option to drive the version with three solenoid valves, and a fuel-saving option (low-speed operation), i.e. full opening of the solenoid valve at about 1500 rpm. I will use BTS432 circuits as the drayers for control. The controller has a 7-segm 4-digit display, and an externally attached simple 3-button programmer with resistance division attached to the analog port. The controller has a built-in hour meter, user-programmable code to access software functions, signal parameter display for service purposes, intuitive programming of the driving potentiometer. The whole thing took me about 4 kB of code. I will get back to you at the end of June and describe further progress.
    Andrew
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  • #32 14887467
    adam_sil
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    Hello again
    After several attempts with various PWM regulators, I finally found a solution that satisfies me. I used a regulator I bought as a DIY kit, the schematic of which is in this post https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2940955.html .The regulator required some minor modifications because it often reset when using the charger. I cut the path at leg 1 of IC2, inserted a voltage regulator for 12V/5A because the unstable voltage coming from the alternator was resetting my controller. The valve control voltage is taken from the output of transistors T2 and T4. This voltage flies to the relays, the diagram of which I posted at the beginning of this post. Further to the corresponding valve. I connected the other output of the valves to ground. Instead of the potentiometer given in the schematic (10k), I used the one from the 5k charger. I removed only two resistors, probably 1k each. In this way, I basically achieved smooth starting adjustment over the entire range of the potentiometer, i.e. from zero (pedal depressed) to 2/3 of the height the adjustment is felt.
    This works in such a way that after firing the supercharger, the controller diode blinks and the voltage does not flow to the valves. When the pedal is pressed, the controller automatically begins to apply voltage and the LED lights up continuously. The voltage is zero because we have the pedal depressed, but when we let go of it the machine starts (if, of course, we have the direction lever switched accordingly). It works very well :) eventually. There is also an inconvenience but about that later because I have to go
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  • #33 14888771
    adam_sil
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    Returning to the topic ...
    When the pedal is depressed to 2/3 of its stroke, the charger does not respond to further release of the pedal. Probably because the voltage at the output reaches a value sufficient to drive the maximum valve (measured with a meter, it is about 8-9V) With further release of the pedal (further movement of the potentiometer), the voltage increases, but it is no longer relevant to the valve. It would be possible to lower the supply voltage of the entire controller to, say, 10V, and this is what I intend to do. This should increase the control range of the valve through the potentiometer.
    The inconvenience of this whole solution is that during driving, when the pedal "clutch" is pressed, the charger immediately comes to an abrupt standstill. However, you can easily get used to this by operating the individual pedals of the loader slightly differently to get rid of this problem. When it comes to gently pulling up, scooping what is on the bucket, the controller does its job very well. The driver's transistors don't need any heatsink, the only heatsink is for the voltage stabilizer, but even that doesn't get too hot.
    That's it for now, I'll play around with a lower supply voltage for the controller and I'll let you know if it's even better
    Greetings.
  • #34 14999133
    jantruck
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    Hello everyone, I'm on the portal since today and it's because of the SUSMIC 12 controller
    namely I need a broken one of this kind
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  • #35 15004815
    adam_sil
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    I have some two at home but they have obliterated markings. Paste some pictures of the plug and housing or send on pw
  • #36 15004939
    jantruck
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    Merlo Loader: Replacing Damaged Hydraulic Pump Controller with Two Relays Merlo Loader: Replacing Damaged Hydraulic Pump Controller with Two Relays .
  • #37 15009419
    adam_sil
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    I don't have one, unfortunately
  • #38 15009573
    jantruck
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    Yes actually I only need the connector itself, I built a replacement to plug in while the original is being repaired, now the connection itself takes too long
  • #39 15009781
    adam_sil
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    Mine have a different connector
    Merlo Loader: Replacing Damaged Hydraulic Pump Controller with Two Relays .
  • #40 15010452
    jantruck
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    well actually there is something different, thanks
  • #41 15462601
    korsarz50
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    Does anyone know a programmer for the controller. I need to set the speed control pedal in the program. It needs to be calibrated as the vehicle jerks when starting. Please recommend some workshop or programmer who knows the subject.
  • #42 15542731
    Ranczero
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    korsarz50 wrote:
    Does anyone know a programmer for the controller. I need to set the speed control pedal in the program. It needs to be calibrated as the vehicle jerks when starting. Please recommend some workshop or programmer who knows the subject.


    throw in search engine" mtechnics "

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    jantruck wrote:
    Hello everyone, I'm on the portal since today and it is because of the SUSMIC 12 driver
    namely I need a broken just such a driver


    If the topic is still valid, I have such a broken 2005 driver
  • #43 15763207
    jantruck
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    hello, yes the topic unfortunately returned if you have such a controller then please and info.
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  • #44 16208499
    musi3d
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    Looking for schematic diagram for
    Sauer-Danfoss MCE209B1011
    id. - No. 510544
    SN: 025119590
    susmic12 NFPE
  • #45 17091795
    andreyepro
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    Hydrostatic Transmission Controller (SUSMIC 12 Analog)

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  • #46 17448344
    Mariusz G.R
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    There are replacements for this controller on olx. They will come install give warranty.
  • #48 18354149
    Lukaszurbanski93
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    Hello can you please contact me ?
  • #49 20301546
    TeiS
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    Hello.

    Can someone tell me where I can buy the Susmic12 controller or the equivalent from the Ukrainian company?

    Thank you
  • #50 20337211
    mradowski
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    Below you have a contact for the company, you can establish cooperation, or write what you need. The company is from Poland, but the calibration is done remotely via the Internet.
    (Below you have a contact for the company, you can establish cooperation, or write what you need. The company is from Poland, but the calibration is done remotely via the Internet.)
    http://sprzedambyka.pl/pozostale-maszyny-narz...terownik-susmic-12-s1x-s5x-sx-nfpe-71841.html
  • #51 20895364
    suasenergy
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    Hi, firstly apologies, I have extremely limited knowledge of electronics so I can't help with your topic of effectively bypassing the controller...... but... I have a Bobcat T40140 telehandler which had a Sauer Danfoss controller replaced with an S1X controller before I bought it at auction (the spare Sauer Danfoss I found under the seat). I am terrified of this electronic machine, so I did some homework and I believe I might have a solution. The Sauer Danfoss motor apparently can have the servo motor valves replaced with a simple hand-operated manual lever, so you don't need to worry about electronic proportional valves, just replace them with manual! Please see enclosed YouTube video, I hope this helps.
    https://youtu.be/BgFrOwiZ0KU?si=SXOWYw5LLpExMt7I

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the replacement of a damaged electronic controller in a Merlo loader, specifically addressing the control of hydraulic pump electrovalves. The original controller allowed for smooth valve movement based on a potentiometer near the pedal, crucial for gradual loader operation. The user replaced the controller with two relays, which resulted in abrupt charger activation. Various participants provided insights on the need for a voltage regulator schematic to achieve smooth control, with suggestions for PWM regulators and modifications to existing designs. The conversation also touched on the importance of the speed sensor and the potential for using alternative controllers, including a DIY kit and remanufactured options. The user ultimately decided to purchase a PWM regulator kit to facilitate better control over the hydraulic valves.
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FAQ

TL;DR: 100 Hz PWM at 2–5 A keeps Merlo drive coils smooth, yet “control is PWM 100 Hz”[Elektroda, azalewsk, post #14670306]—over-current >4 A can trip DIY kits[Elektroda, adam_sil, post #14887467] Why it matters: Selecting the right regulator prevents violent starts and fried BTS drivers.

Quick Facts

• Coil resistance: 2.5 Ω (older pumps) to 5.5 Ω (Merlo 33.7 KT) [Elektroda, azalewsk, #14631214; Elektrode, adam_sil, #14157692] • Nominal coil current: 2 – 5 A @ 12 V, PWM-modulated [Elektroda, azalewsk, post #14631214] • Recommended PWM frequency: 80 – 120 Hz; factory boards use 100 Hz [Elektroda, azalewsk, post #14670306] • DIY AVT controller: 4 A continuous, ~50 zł kit price [Elektroda, adam_sil, post #14175358] • Polish Susmic-12 replacement: ≈400 – 500 zł, 3-year warranty [Elektroda, azalewsk, #14672307; mradowski, #18175314]

Why does the loader jerk when I bypass the Susmic controller with simple relays?

Relays feed the solenoid with full 12 V immediately; without PWM ramp-up the valve jumps to maximum flow, so the telehandler lurches [Elektroda, szelton, post #14144661]

What PWM settings replicate factory behaviour?

Set 100 Hz frequency with a duty cycle rising from 20 % (pedal idle) to 60 % (full travel); this equals on-times of 2 ms–6 ms measured on a working Merlo [Elektroda, azalewsk, post #14670306]

How much current must my driver handle?

Measure coil resistance then apply I = V/R. At 5.5 Ω coils need ≈2.2 A; 2.5 Ω coils draw ≈4.8 A. Add 20 % headroom, so design for 3–6 A continuous [Elektroda, adam_sil, #14157692; azalewsk, #14631214].

Can I use a generic AVT PWM kit?

Yes, but add a 5 A 12 V stabiliser. Stock kits reset when alternator spikes >14 V; cutting the IC2 trace and inserting the regulator cured drop-outs [Elektroda, adam_sil, post #14887467]

Edge-case: what kills DIY boards fastest?

Prolonged 9 V–14 V surges stall the NE555 and overheat the dropper resistor; smoke appears within minutes at low-speed driving [Elektroda, adam_sil, post #14624578]

Where can I buy a ready replacement for Susmic-12?

Polish supplier sprzedambyka.pl sells remanufactured units (400–500 zł) with remote calibration and 3-year guarantee [Elektroda, mradowski, #18175314; #20337211].

How do I calibrate the pedal on a new controller?

  1. Enter service mode, press programming button for 5 s. 2. With pedal released, store ‘LO’ value. 3. Press pedal fully, store ‘HI’ value. Controller then rescales PWM from 20 % to 60 % duty [Elektroda, azalewsk, post #14670306]

Can I run the machine if the RPM sensor fails?

Some aftermarket controllers feature an emergency mode that ignores faulty sensors and limits power to 30 % so you can move the loader safely [Elektroda, andreyepro, post #17091795]

What components match the original BTS44 drivers?

Modern drop-in parts are Infineon BTS410 or BTS432. Each handles 5 A, includes over-temp and over-current cut-off, and costs ≈10 zł [Elektroda, azalewsk, post #14670306]

Why does travel stop when I press the inching/brake pedal?

The controller reads the brake potentiometer; above 60 % stroke it removes current from the drive coil and may send reverse PWM to aid braking [Elektroda, grzegorz200, post #14734298]

Can I ditch electronics for manual levers?

Yes; replacing servo valves with hand-operated levers lets you bypass all electronics, as shown on a Bobcat T40140 retrofit [suasenergy, #20895364].
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