What soldering iron to start your adventure with electronics up to PLN 80?

Hey. I would like to buy a soldering iron, I am a layman in these topics, so I am asking you for advice. I can spend PLN 80 on soldering irons. Will I find something on the Allegro?

What is it to be used for? Grotówka or transformer?

Unfortunately I'm green, literally. I'm just beginning to be interested in something. Mainly it is for my hobby

But you probably know what you want to do?

Basic things

Hello, what soldering iron do you recommend for soldering the cables coming from the ISO cube

If you are a complete beginner and just starting to learn the difficult art of soldering, you should read this first:
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2285710.html
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2769945.html
In this second article, you have described the advantages and disadvantages of different types of soldering irons.
At the beginning, you need to answer the basic question of what type of systems you want to deal with, whether only through-hole assembly or also surface assembly (smd).
I personally used such soldering irons for quite a long time https://obrazki.elektroda.pl/6365443300_1394042777.jpg

So far protracted. But now what model of soldering iron to buy? Or maybe some set on the Allegro.

We all used transformer tubes here when we were young and we do not recommend it today. The choice of arrowheads is huge. I think that the power in the range of 50 to 80W will be the optimal solution for your resources. Long conical tip. Good soldering irons are not only a heater but also a better quality of the tip. At the beginning, you can buy a pistol tip for PLN 30, it has a power of about 60W. In many cases it is quite enough.

@cooltygrysek

However, I will say it in spite of it I would take a good transformer than a crap stock, because let's face it, you won't buy anything interesting at this cash register.

However, at the beginning of the game the transformer is enough, and then it will be useful (I sometimes use myself despite having 2 Weller stations).

On the other hand, such a "soldering station" for PLN 50, etc. will fall and the money will be thrown into the mud ... Unless you add a little and buy a slightly better Chinese one (but here personally I do not know what is now sensible to recommend so as not to be afraid of guarantees).

Buy even the cheapest station (from PLN 45) with a buttstock with interchangeable tips. Tip type "hoof".

And what is hmmm "hoof"

I don't know what a hoof is either - for me it's a service cable for GSm boxes

tzok wrote:

Buy even the cheapest station (from PLN 45) with a buttstock with interchangeable tips. Tip type "hoof".

Just don't say something like this:



Sasiad bought it some time ago, despite the fact that soldering is average pleasure, after about 2 months there was a fire from it :crazyeyes:

Lack of any stabilization, the stock powered from 230V ... in the station broke the triac I didn't even understand why ...

It's a pity for the money for such inventions ... For PLN 80 you can buy a Lutole who will survive all these Chinese for light years I have one since 1985. Works so far and prefer to solder even SMD than Chinese g ... for 50 PLN

cooltygrysek wrote:

And what is hmmm "hoof"

Enter "tip hoof" in the Allegro search engine, you will see ... something like a mini wave but flat.

tplewa wrote:

Just don't say something like that

I thought this had a temperature stabilizer, I have two temperature controlled flasks (no "station") and the ne have temperature stabilization not just a wattage control. The heater is actually powered by 230VAC, but it is ceramic, so it does not bother me a lot. For electronics 40W is sufficient, the condition - the tip is put on the heater, not inserted into it.

It depends on what is soldered, some print with larger ground fields for this larger element on the heat sink and may lack power.

I usually solder WSD 50 (LR 21 - 50W) and it is enough, but sometimes it is missing, I switch to WSD 80 (80 W) or Lutole Also a bit paranoid, but the LR21 stock is more comfortable for me than the WSP80 ..

On the other hand, I also do not understand such pressure on cheap "soldering stations", which only defactively resemble stations. I have sold a transformer for years and you can do a lot with practice. Yes, the station is more convenient, but let's face it, for PLN 80 you will buy something that will be far from the convenience of soldering, not to mention durability. It will turn out that it will spend more on poor tips or heaters than to add to some more durable Chinese ...

Regarding the temperature control flasks, I think I saw a post on the electrode with a description somewhere and it turned out that the tip for it is almost 1/2 the price of a soldering iron

I have Antexa TCS (for the price of a Chinese station, but I don't have space for stations) - the tips are not expensive, but quite difficult to access (only one distributor in PL) and some Chinese no-name, to which I have not yet found tips ... for "thicker" matters I have an Extralut 80VA transformer.

Aaaa, I already know what the last is. Cave long forgotten, not used since I can't remember when. Just not needed and not convenient. Don't compare it to a mini-wave, that's different.

Minifala is a hoof with a tin cup. I definitely prefer it to the tip, both for THT and SMD.

Repro 937d soldering station or its nearly identical clones. They cost around PLN 80 on the allegro. I bought a slightly used one for PLN 50 and it works great both for smd and tht. For larger projects, of course, a reliable Polish-made TD-05 transformer.

tzok wrote:

Minifala is a hoof with a tin cup. I definitely prefer it to the tip, both for THT and SMD.

The Spitz is actually not very comfortable, I most often use the so-called screwdriver (or other name chisel) ... But I never soldered the mini wave, and interestingly a few days ago I "went crazy" and when buying tips I also bought myself to test it I wonder if it will be worth the money he he

tplewa wrote:

I have never soldered minifala, and interestingly, a few days ago I "went crazy" and while buying tips I also bought myself to test it

Just remember about the flux, preferably in a gel. The binder core flux will not stick to the mini wave.

Kraniec_Internetów wrote:

I will ask out of curiosity: https://obrazki.elektroda.pl/9445448400_1406894720.jpeg
This set can be "bought" on an electrode or on a well-known auction site for PLN 25.
The soldering materials themselves cost PLN 30. This soldering iron is suitable for pleasant soldering?

In total, a set for which you will not buy 2 packs of pipes hard to feel ... so in detail, in a better store, rosin from PLN 2, tin from PLN 3, suction device from PLN 5 the rest is the price of the soldering iron :)

tzok wrote:

tplewa wrote:

I have never soldered minifala, and interestingly, a few days ago I "went crazy" and while buying tips I also bought myself to test it

Just remember about the flux, preferably in a gel. The binder core flux will not stick to the mini wave.

Maybe I will test it on some scrap today :)


Still with regard to the soldering iron - because I read somewhere recently that the stations have a kind of butt that is powered by a safe voltage. Certainly these little "blue" ones in different variants fall off. But as you can see, and in the larger ones, you can sometimes be surprised:



As you can see, the Chinese can

And would you give some auctions on Allegro with a good soldering iron?

tplewa wrote:

you may be surprised sometimes:

Hahah, this word "ESD SAFE" too :D

Quote:

And would you give some auctions on Allegro with a good soldering iron?

http://allegro.pl/937d-stacja-lutownicza-grotowka-hakko-wyprzedaz-i5184702637.html

I will break again and I will persuade you for this unfortunate transformer.

You can easily buy Polish Lutole for such money.

Now why - many of us soldered with such soldering irons for years, because there were no other solders, and sometimes it was quite a challenge to buy such solders;]

Maybe less convenient, but you will solder any elements from simple designs. If you get bored, such a soldering iron at home will always be useful and will be more useful than a bad butt ... It will last for years, and you make tips from just any copper wire :)

If you are attracted to electronics, you can always buy some stations for your convenience ...

The above-mentioned soldering iron is a bit too expensive (but smaller), worse that I can't use this model ..

Well, what's grounding from an ESD grounding point? so he has what you are picking on. Only bridged with the ground wire. Maybe none of you know that the flasks should not be connected directly to the ground in the socket? In order for the ESD to work properly, the stock should be connected to the ESD PROTECT collection point for the protection of the workplace, i.e. antistatic mat, all kinds of bracelets, floor mats, gloves, etc. Never connect such protections to a power socket. Only via the ESD PROTECT module. Besides, not everyone in the house has a 3 or 5-wire network. In the case of the most common in Poland TN-C network in old buildings, the grounding pin is connected to the zeroing conductor in junction boxes or bridged in sockets. If the neutral circuit is broken, phase potential will appear on the neutral wire by other devices connected to it. If someone has a bracelet or antistatic mat connected, you know how it can end. I have seen such things more than once in apartment blocks, tenement houses and houses.

Generally, I have the opportunity to buy this soldering iron from the station. But I don't know what temperature to set etc.