What is the procedure for replacing the battery in the Satel integra 32 control

Hello,
I just have a battery in the control panel flashing with a yellow LED and I would like to replace it myself, but I'm not sure what the procedure is. Can I do this without disconnecting the mains power? Just disconnect the battery and plug in a new one?

By the way, the question is, what will happen if the battery is completely discharged and there is a power cut? Will the control panel simply stop and the system will be inactive, or will the siren be activated?

thanks



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You must have a service password.

Before opening the housing, you activate the service mode so that the tamper contact located in the housing does not trigger the tamper alarm unnecessarily.
Disconnect the AC power first, and then the battery.
You connect the other way around. Battery first, then mains power.
You close the casing and exit the service mode.

Plumpi wrote:

You must have a service password.

Before opening the housing, you activate the service mode so that the tamper contact located in the housing does not trigger the tamper alarm unnecessarily.
Disconnect the AC power first, and then the battery.
You connect the other way around. Battery first, then mains power.
You close the cover and exit the service mode.

I'm sorry to interfere, but can my colleague explain to me why he should turn off the mains power when replacing the battery. I have been replacing batteries in control panels for over 15 years and now I have found out that I was doing it wrong all the time. When replacing, I disconnect the old battery, check and clean the contacts, and then connect the new one.

Sometimes it makes sense to read the manufacturer's instructions.

5.1.2 CONTROL PANEL POWER START PROCEDURE
1. Connect the emergency power supply cables to the appropriate battery terminals
(red to battery positive, black to battery negative). The control panel will not start after
connecting the battery only (without the mains power connected), and
it will work in case of 230V voltage failure - if it was already there before
launched.
Note: If the battery voltage drops to approx. 11 V during the control panel operation, the control panel
will report a battery failure. After the voltage drops to approx. 9.5 V, the control panel disconnects
battery (system stops).
2. Connect the ~ 230V AC mains supply - the control panel operation starts.
The sequence of switching on the power mentioned here (first the battery, then the 230V mains)
will enable the correct operation of the power supply and the control panel electronic protection systems, thanks to
which avoid damage to the alarm system components caused by
possible assembly errors. The modules should be started in a similar way
with its own power supply.
Note: If there is a situation where it is necessary to disconnect the power completely
the control panel, the mains and the battery should be disconnected in turn. Power on again
should take place in the sequence described above (battery first, and
then 230V alternating voltage).
After all electrical connections are made and checked for correctness,
you can proceed to start the system. It is recommended to start working with the control panel without
connected sirens, by loading the high-current outputs with 2.2k? resistors.
SATEL INTEGRA 40
The signaling devices can be connected only after the parameter programming is completed
the alarm system being implemented.
Recommended for systems with self-powered expansion modules
starting the control panel first, and then the other parts of the system successively.

This is actually an excerpt from the Integra installer manual, but exactly the same procedures were required on the lower and older models I dealt with.

Hello
The correct procedure is as described by colleague Plumpi.
Nothing bad will happen if you remove the old battery and connect a new one without turning off the mains power, the control panel will not detect a new battery immediately, so the failure will blink for a few more minutes. If you do not activate TS, when opening the housing you can trigger an alarm. Will the siren sound like the control panel it will turn off completely, it depends if you have a siren with support, if so, it will start to howl, if not, it will not start. After the control panel has completely shut down, the control panel does not lose its settings, you do not need to reveal anything.
greetings

Plumpi wrote:

Disconnect the AC power first, and then the battery.

Plumpi wrote:

Sometimes it makes sense to read the manufacturer's instructions.

5.1.2 CONTROL PANEL POWER START PROCEDURE

So read carefully - this is about starting the control panel, not replacing the battery.

Plumpi wrote:

You connect the other way around. Battery first, then mains power.
You close the cover and exit the service mode.

How is it supposed to exit the service mode if the control panel goes off in alarm?

You have Specialist-Heating systems entered and I would suggest staying with it and not writing nonsense.

bartek0808 wrote:

The correct procedure is as described by colleague Plumpi.

?

bartek0808 wrote:

the control panel will not detect a new battery immediately, so the trouble will blink for a few more minutes

Integra recognizes almost immediately, in the old CAs the time of checking the presence of the battery was about 15 minutes.

sosarek wrote:

You have Specialist-Heating systems entered and I would suggest staying with it and not writing nonsense.

So what if someone appreciated my knowledge in this field and gave me such a specialization at Electrode?

I have been dealing with heating systems for about 15 years.
Alarm installations for over 20 years.
Electronics (including design and commissioning), industrial automation and electrics for almost 30 years.
I have dealt with and still do professionally.

Currently, I do not make too many alarms, because I not only deal with alarms, but I deal with installations in newly built houses comprehensively, i.e. electrical installations, automation, alarms and heating systems, and above all, linking all installations together. I often do simple home automation based on alarm systems. So I have some experience in this area.
So please do not give yourself that kind of remark.

Here it is more about the possibility of short-circuiting the wires and damage to the electronic system responsible for charging the battery and damage caused by a "shaky" newly purchased battery.
As for the power outputs on the motherboard, they are protected against short circuits. Unfortunately, the battery charging system does not.
Even when you bring a new battery from the store, you don't really know its technical condition. Unless you measure it. If you get a faulty one, e.g. with a damaged cell, or if it is old and deeply discharged, then by replacing it without turning off the mains power, there is a high probability that you will damage the battery charging system. If you do restart, disconnecting the mains power supply, connecting the battery and connecting the mains supply, the battery supervision system will not allow the charging system to be turned on and damaged, and the control panel will signal a battery failure.

Almost immediately, it does not mean immediately, so for a person who is replacing the battery for the first time, failure to disappear after replacement may be associated with additional stress, so it is probably worth informing him about it.

thanks for the information, however, I would be in favor of dissolving my colleague Stan-Mar.
It makes sense, after all, when the battery dies, the control panel will disconnect it, according to the instructions, anyway. And when I disconnect the battery and it starts to howl, right? the siren is supported.

Remember that opening the control panel housing without putting the system into service mode may trigger an alarm.

The control panel should disconnect the discharged battery, but sometimes it will still try to charge it by overloading the charging system, and unfortunately I am not writing about the CA-10 but I had such cases even on some Integrals.

bartek0808 wrote:

Remember that opening the control panel housing without putting the system into service mode may trigger an alarm.

I do not have this protection, I have already opened the case to see what battery to buy. Is the service mode required to disconnect the battery and connect a new one? I would not like the alarm to go off,

thanks

Since you do not have sabotage, it is not required.

sosarek wrote:

Since you do not have sabotage, it is not required.

thanks, and a question by the way - the suggested answer at the beginning to disconnect the mains and then the battery in my understanding would activate the siren, right?

Switching to the service mode would do nothing to turn off the siren, because after disconnecting all the power supply, the control panel is turned off.

That's right.

Thank you for your help, the battery was replaced without disconnecting the power supply without any problems. The "failure" LED is gone.