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Seeking Recommendations for Comfortable, Durable Car for Long Journeys, Budget 30-50k

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  • #31 15627547
    andrzej lukaszewicz
    Level 41  
    A face for you, and let it stay that way, thanks to which I can buy a good, extraordinary car for normal money. According to you, millions of people in the US drive these mines and they will stay that way.
    Believe me, the cars that I was looking for up to 35,000 had either occasional German eaves (real mines with winding meters and worn seats) or normal, but 5 years older, also with significant mileage of 250-300kkm. I bought the car cold after researching the opinions, and also from my fellow mechanics who have been operating several such cars for years and the opinions were very positive, only planned operation.
    For 20 years I have been driving "mines" for most people in strange cars and they were never new cars, and there were 10 and 20 years old and I had no major problems with parts, on the contrary, sometimes the prices of parts were surprising + and were much cheaper than popular Europeans - this was the case with, for example, Mitsubishi Sigma (which I had as the only one in the district.)
    Espace might have been if it weren't for the cockpit, which makes you feel sick. He's a scrap metal, are they even worse?
    I bought the car from an enthusiast, well-kept, he had it for over 5 years, imported from the USA in full at a time when $ was 2 zlotys. What is supposed to be a mine greater than in the A6, or a beem with 100% twisted meters from 400,000 to 180 ? Find me an 8-year-old Audi, BMW or a Mercedes in this class with the ORIGINAL mileage of 120kkm and tell me for what money?
    Simple, idle 4.0 250HP engine, maybe a gearbox, but with the original 120kkm the oil was very nice, clear (replacement recommended at 100,000 miles). I paid 350 PLN for the original oil (petro canada) for the machine (9 l dynamic replacement), box filter 60, rocker sleeves set 4 pcs 200 PLN, rod tip 46 PLN (the size of the bus !!) candles original platinum for 20 PLN / pc? These are the prices of parts from European compacts.
    I think you live by common opinions and 20 years ago about the lack of parts for cars from the USA, and this market is very buoyant, because there the prices of parts are ridiculously low and import is very profitable. In addition, replacements for the US market are of high quality, because there an extremely effective legal system and shit cost a lot (as VW and millions of bulls have recently found out, and in Europe people can be fucked for free ...) And all this at a relatively high dollar exchange rate .
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  • #32 15627591
    Jarosx9
    Level 35  
    Laguna 2 2.0 DCI is probably not the budget. Recently, a friend sold such a station wagon for 3000, there were some shortcomings, for example, oil leaks, etc., but after adding the topic to the author's budget, you can still have 8 such. :D
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  • #33 15627603
    andrzej lukaszewicz
    Level 41  
    Jarosx9 wrote:
    Laguna 2 2.0 DCI is probably not the budget.

    The same as exchanged omega C and mondeo III.
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  • #34 15628356
    Gitner
    Level 27  
    I would choose between C6, S80, Mondeo IV, A8. If I have to spend half my life on the road, I would start with the choice of seats ... because what about the rest of the car, if every 200 km I have to get out and straighten my back.
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  • #35 15628539
    Kune
    Level 24  
    Jarosx9 wrote:
    Laguna 2 2.0 DCI is probably not the budget. Recently, a friend sold such a station wagon for 3000, there were some shortcomings, for example, oil leaks, etc., but after adding the topic to the author's budget, you can still have 8 such. :D


    Sorry, of course it was Lagune III

    andrzej lukaszewicz wrote:
    A face for you, and let it stay that way, thanks to which I can buy a good, extraordinary car for normal money. According to you, millions of people in the US drive these mines and they will stay that way.


    But how does a popular car on their market compare to ours? It's like sending them a Fiat Punto and saying you don't know what's going on because there are millions of them.

    If you drive inventions from scratch, you're used to the problems they can create, but you know where to go with it. Not everyone has automotive knowledge, not everyone has an idea and time to sit, read forums overseas and figure out how to do it.
    Therefore, in my opinion, for a normal, average person who pours fuel, washer fluid, and sometimes oil, such a car is MINA, because the first better garage does not know the tricks of such cars and does not know what to replace with. It is a rare and not unusual car.

    There is no need to talk about prices, because here people are mannered. If someone wants a good BMW / Audi / VW / Mercedes, he has to pay, there are no fools, no one will give up the car for free. I suggest going abroad for cars, buying with a full service history. If you managed to buy a car from the USA without any accidents (you can say that there are also no such cars, because everything from the USA is a bell), you will be able to buy an Audi, BMW, VW, Mercedes with low mileage - you only have to pay for it. If someone wants to believe that the 520d e60 on xenon and probably still in the M-Package costs PLN 25,000 and has 110kkm, it is not surprising that there are such offers and such customers. Maybe because my car had 140kkm at the time of purchase, and now has 190 it did not cause any problems, unlike my busy E60 - I don't know.
  • #36 15630092
    nioop

    Home appliances specialist
    piotrd76 wrote:
    What car would you recommend with the following assumptions:
    ...
    - little failure, reasonable operating costs with high mileage
    - moderate engine power, sufficient for smooth driving at highway speed. Nobody will race it. More emphasis on durability and economy.
    ...


    I do not understand why everyone here proposes modern, high-performance turbo diesels?
    I would be looking for an older generation naturally aspirated petrol as my destination.

    Kune's colleague mentioned something about the E60 (to be honest, I didn't even read it), but the pre-lift version with the benz 3.0 engine is a really successful and trouble-free car, you can even gas it without any problems ..
    It is known if you want a comfortable car, the suspension costs will be higher, but something for something ..

    Honestly, do not be influenced by the statements of forum members, because the best cars are their cars in every respect .. Everyone forces you to a car that he owns:]

    Look at the cars you like and drive, the ones that suit you best with comfort and ergonomics, put them in google and read what to look for ..

    I will only honestly advise you against trips around Poland for "ideals", how many times I crashed 150 km with the intention of buying your dream car and disappointment on the spot and returning home ..
  • #37 15630572
    andrzej lukaszewicz
    Level 41  
    Kune wrote:
    If someone wants a good BMW / Audi / VW / Mercedes, he has to pay, there are no fools, no one will give back the car for free

    I would not like to wander into pointless discussions and be misunderstood that I have something against the car from across the Oder, but I have known for a long time that the German cars you have replaced are overvalued by 20-50% for only one reason - the sheep's rush of dark compatriots, who are afraid to understand the decision to buy a car on the basis of their real feelings and impressions only: what others will say, because there are more of them, are right that this and that brand is good, and for example the French are bad (although never he had a Frenchman, but when he rode in it, he envied in his spirit, how quiet and comfortable it is, not like in my turtleneck, but they certainly break, etc.).
    Kune wrote:
    If you drive inventions from scratch, you're used to the problems they can create, but you know where to go with it. Not everyone has automotive knowledge, not everyone has an idea and time to sit, read forums overseas and figure out how to do it.

    And you repair your cars yourself, because I don't have a lot of knowledge about them - that's what mechanics are, and I know many who can repair (not only replace) and it's something other than golf or Audi, etc.
    Forums are in Poland, no need to dig for foreign ones. Shops too.

    What other solutions were used there? Simplicity and the lack of specially broken modules that you could not "fuck" customers for just what?
    My brother-in-law has had Sonata IV for 6 years and NOTHING breaks down in this car, only exploitation, and newer and more expensive beems, J asters, friends' insignia ride on tow trucks, but they still make him understand with superiority that he has an inventive car. .. This BMW stood 4 weeks in a good repair shop to locate and repair the power steering system. Another goofy computer that could not be obtained, or the versions with the software did not match, incompetent people from the site offered a replacement / guessing game for 12k at the expense of the owner. And what doubles the value of the car here, as you wrote?
    Another example in the family, a 6-year-old merc E-class well maintained, 250,000 power problems - the service said it was a turbine to be replaced. Cost of 12,000 + robot. The cousin organizes such a turbine, the original from Germany from the site for 8,000 !!! The exchange comes out of 12 thousand, but after 1000 km the problem returns and after a few visits and scams in 2 merca services and another 2 thousand. for diagnosis, he goes to a small workshop specializing in a star on the hood. And the guy says that such symptoms and errors are caused by the turbine, but also ... by flaps in the intake manifold. Another 4,000 went, i.e. 18,000 in total (a failure that did not stop the car, only lacked power !!) and there is already a popular and decent car from Germany, and the failure did not double its value, because it was very expensive. Aa, it was no improvement but a respected, unbuilt car of a financially well-off man. At that time, American or Korean inventions have already made half a cup on the wardrobe without any computers and super professionals (because they do not even have turbodiesel in their offer !!!) :D These are examples from practice in the family and friends, many similar stories, but I only heard about vodka, but on a daily basis, they have great cars, and I have inventions. And let it stay that way.
    So don't be surprised that I have other views.
    You can buy very comfortable and inexpensive cars, almost luxurious as well as A3 for a lot of money. The choice is up to the author of the thread, and it's up to him to decide what to spend his money on (which incidentally hasn't said so far). Fortunately, we have different views and that's good, because as they say: "if we liked the same women, we would kill each other"
    So much of my share in this topic,
    Greetings Andrzej.
  • #38 15631235
    Jarosx9
    Level 35  
    andrzej lukaszewicz wrote:
    but I have known for a long time that the German cars you have replaced are overvalued by 20-50% for only one reason - the sheep's speed of dark compatriots.

    I agree with this, because I often participate in the inspection of potential new acquisitions - a record copy on the E46 Coupe, E92, Audi A3 / A4, E53 - other cars in this segment in better technical / tinsm condition in a newer year often come out for 1/2 to 2 / 3 amounts of the above.
  • #39 15639315
    piotrd76
    Automation specialist
    Thanks for the hints.

Topic summary

The discussion centers around recommendations for a comfortable and durable car suitable for long journeys within a budget of 30,000 to 50,000. Key preferences include comfort, soft suspension, low failure rates, reasonable operating costs, and moderate engine power. Various models are suggested, including the Audi A8, Citroen C5, Peugeot 607, Volvo V70, Skoda Octavia, and Alfa Romeo 159. Participants emphasize the importance of comfort, particularly in seating, and express mixed opinions on the reliability of French versus German cars. The Citroen C5 is frequently highlighted for its comfort, while concerns about the reliability of certain models, especially French ones, are raised. The discussion also touches on the practicality of purchasing used vehicles and the potential for higher maintenance costs associated with luxury brands.
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