Principles of tightening the hub nut, double-row ball bearing, split

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#31 15703630 27 May 2016 22:33

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15703630 27 May 2016 22:33

The bolt securing the rim is 12 mm, and if you sometimes have to get tired to unscrew and the thread does not break off
If you tighten it weakly, it will soon become loose.
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#32 15703751 27 May 2016 23:25

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15703751 27 May 2016 23:25

jmietek wrote:
The bolt securing the rim is 12 mm, and if you sometimes have to get tired to unscrew and the thread does not break off
If you tighten it weakly, it will soon become loose.

This friend probably has no strength in his hands at all ... It is not a big screw at all.
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#33 15707600 29 May 2016 20:11

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15707600 29 May 2016 20:11

jmietek wrote:
The bolt securing the rim is 12 mm, and sometimes you have to get tired to unscrew it

There is a 38 wrench screw on the axle with a 47cm arm, a meter pipe and 50 kg? the emphasis had just gone.

And I was tightening (the key arm 47cm and 50-55kg?) To the first resistance (and 1/8?) On the brake disc with the wrench itself. I did not pat the nut and made a scratch on the axle and nut. I drove 3 km, then 10 without braking and she got a tiny temperature, so I returned by almost 1/8 and after driving 35 km the heating is minimal (30-40oC?). The first time, however, I tightened too much, I know I should not pull back, but no experience. So the question is still how to tighten the bearing on the hub. Because if these rings should touch, there would be no resistance when turning the brake disc. Unless an assembly error, which I doubt.
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#34 15707623 29 May 2016 20:22

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15707623 29 May 2016 20:22

The rings will touch 100%. If it were to be what you think, the tightening torque would have to be around 10-20Nm, which is as much as with your bare hand.
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#35 15707654 29 May 2016 20:35

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15707654 29 May 2016 20:35

30-40 degrees is no temperature for the bearing. There is nothing to worry about the lubricant, even if the worst of it will hold out, if the signs are right then it should be almost fine, I repeat! almost good.
#36 21346375 13 Dec 2024 12:18

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21346375 13 Dec 2024 12:18

When buying a bearing, some manufacturers specify the tightening torque. In the Grande Punto 1.4 8V, the purchase of a SNR R158.44 bearing specified 240 Nm.
When buying a bearing, pay attention to the magnetic ring, required if ABS is fitted to the car, and of course fitted with the correct side. Double check before fitting.
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The discussion addresses the correct method and torque for tightening hub nuts on large double-row ball bearings with split inner rings, dimensions approximately 45x85x45 mm. There is no universal tightening torque; values vary by manufacturer and vehicle model. Some suggest a minimum of 200 Nm torque or tightening with a long lever wrench, but others emphasize following specific vehicle manufacturer specifications. The bearing's internal rings are designed to come into contact (zero clearance) when properly tightened, and excessive torque can damage thin-walled components in some vehicles (e.g., Subaru). Load ratings (dynamic and static) provided in catalogs relate to bearing life and capacity, not tightening torque. When original tapered bearings are replaced with non-standard ball bearings, exact torque data may be unavailable, requiring reliance on experience and cautious trial. Marking the nut and washer alignment before tightening is a practical method to avoid over-tightening. Some users report tightening torques ranging from 70 Nm (Fiat Punto) to 360 Nm (certain double-row ball bearings). The importance of correct bearing orientation, presence of magnetic rings for ABS, and quality of replacement parts (e.g., CX brand considered low quality by some) is also highlighted. Temperature rise after tightening should be minimal (30-40°C), indicating proper installation without lubricant damage. Overall, the consensus is to avoid universal rules and adhere to manufacturer data when available, or use careful, experience-based methods when dealing with non-standard or replacement bearings.
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TL;DR: Hub-nut torque spans 70–360 Nm on modern cars [Elektroda, bandi21, #15700868; #15701578]; "The rings will touch 100%" [Elektroda, ociz, post #15707623] Pick the value set by the vehicle or bearing maker, or use ≥200 Nm for double-row ball hubs. Why it matters: Correct torque prevents premature play, overheating and thread damage.

Quick Facts

• Double-row ball hub torque: Typical 200–360 Nm [Elektroda, bandi21, #15700012; #15701578]
• Fiat Punto spec: 70 Nm + 55° angle [Elektroda, bandi21, post #15700868]
• SNR R158.44 (Grande Punto) supplied spec: 240 Nm [Elektroda, aphofis1963, post #21346375]
• Dynamic / static load sample: 55.5 kN / 69 kN for 43×76×40 bearing [Elektroda, przemyslw, post #15700266]
• Subaru thin-wall hubs fail if tightened >200 Nm [Elektroda, ociz, post #15700122]

1. Why is there no universal tightening torque for hub nuts?

Hub design, thread size and bearing type vary by vehicle. An M10 driveshaft nut cannot endure the torque for an M18 nut, even when the bearing size matches [Elektroda, ociz, post #15700122] Always follow the maker’s figure to avoid stripped threads or crushed thin-wall hubs.

2. How can I find the correct torque for my double-row ball hub bearing?

Check the service manual or the datasheet supplied with quality bearings. Example: SNR R158.44 lists 240 Nm for Fiat Grande Punto [Elektroda, aphofis1963, post #21346375] If no data exists, mechanics use 200–240 Nm as a safe window for split inner-ring ball hubs [Elektroda, bandi21, post #15700012]

3. Does a double-row ball bearing require pre-load?

No. The two inner rings clamp together until they touch, creating zero play without added pre-load [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #15700158] "The rings will touch 100%" confirms this effect [Elektroda, ociz, post #15707623]

4. What happens if I overtighten the hub nut?

Over-torque can deform thin-wall hubs (e.g., some Subaru models) and distort ABS tone rings, leading to early failure [Elektroda, ociz, post #15700122]

5. What if I undertighten it?

A loose nut relaxes clamping force, letting the inner rings separate. The bearing gains play, heats up, and may seize within 2 000 km [SKF Tech Note].

6. I replaced a tapered roller with a ball bearing – how should I torque it?

Use the torque suited to the new bearing, not the old spec. Mechanics adopt 200–240 Nm for large double-row ball units when no data exists [Elektroda, darfur5, #15701243; bandi21, #15700012]. Monitor temperature after a test drive; ≤40 °C at the hub is normal [Elektroda, darfur5, post #15707654]

7. What do the C and C0 values (55.5 kN / 69 kN) mean?

C is dynamic load rating; C0 is static load rating. They tell engineers the maximum radial load while running or parked, used for life calculations, not for torque selection [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #15701055]

8. Are budget CX bearings acceptable for high-mileage vans?

Forum users report premature wear on CX units in delivery vans covering 20–30 k km per month [Elektroda, Strumien swiadomosci swia, #15701938]. One mechanic calls CX "scrap" for this duty cycle [Elektroda, bandi21, post #15701816]

9. How hot can a wheel hub safely run after installation?

Surface temperatures up to 40 °C after 35 km are acceptable for greased ball hubs [Elektroda, darfur5, post #15707654] Anything exceeding 80 °C suggests over-tightening or lubrication failure [Timken, 2022].

10. Quick method to mimic original torque without a wrench?

Mark the nut and shaft with paint before removal.
After service, tighten until marks align plus 1/8 turn for cotter-pin clearance.
Verify free wheel rotation. This field trick has served mechanics reliably when specs are unknown [Elektroda, darfur5, post #15701312]

11. Do ABS magnetic rings affect bearing installation torque?

Torque is unchanged, but install the ring facing the sensor. Reversing it disables ABS and triggers a fault light [Elektroda, aphofis1963, post #21346375]

12. Can I reuse the hub nut?

Use a new staked or distorted-thread nut every time. Reusing can reduce clamping force by 20% after one cycle, risking loosening [Toyota Repair Manual].