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Consequences of Swapping L and N Wires on a Mounting Power Supply

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  • #1 16147654
    Marcin7254
    Level 13  
    Hello, I have a mounting power supply and there are phase and zero markings on it, which if I swapped them, the power supply looks like the one below. Consequences of Swapping L and N Wires on a Mounting Power Supply
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  • #2 16147665
    djlukas
    Level 27  
    If it works, nothing will change. But if the fuse is on the phase line, it may fail in some short circuits without the fuse tripping. Why do you want to swap the power supply at all?
  • #3 16147672
    D214d3k
    Level 39  
    It depends what's inside, but from nothing, through a slight "digging" of the current if it has some advanced anti-interference filters, by throwing away the protections if the 3-wire connection is correct, up to the line on the housing and life threatening in the absence of separation or damage and at the same time lack (continuity ) of the protective conductor. Connect well or not at all.
  • #4 16147673
    Marcin7254
    Level 13  
    I don't want to change anything, I just have a plug that looks the same on both sides.
  • #5 16147675
    Ture11
    Level 39  
    Marcin7254 wrote:
    I don't want to change anything, I just have a plug that looks the same on both sides.


    So a plug without a protective contact?

    Your power supply has a ground point in the screw connection - for a reason.
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  • #6 16147683
    Marcin7254
    Level 13  
    Yes, my plug does not have a grounding cable and what's worse, my house is of an old type and there is no grounding pin in the sockets either.
  • #7 16147705
    retrofood
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Marcin7254 wrote:
    Yes, my plug does not have a grounding cable and what's worse, my house is of an old type and there is no grounding pin in the sockets either.

    So it's high time to change that. And if you're looking for style advice
    Quote:
    He doesn't want to replace anything
    it's not possible, it's a shame to bother people.
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  • #8 16147717
    Marcin7254
    Level 13  
    Okay, theoretically, nothing should happen, after all, only the housing is grounded, right? besides, there is no transition between the contacts and the housing, so theoretically there should be no voltage on the housing, although my lack of grounding is not an advantage because I do not make a short circuit with an oscilloscope :D at most, the electricity will "kick" me a bit once I put my finger where there are traffic jams from the so-called "strength"

    Ps. Retrofood I like your manipulation of words :D
  • #9 16147724
    strfind
    Level 17  
    Marcin7254 wrote:
    Okay, theoretically, nothing should happen, after all, only the housing is grounded, right?

    And that's where the whole snag is. In the event of damage to the insulation or any element inside that touches the housing, in the absence of grounding of this housing, the voltage will be on it, e.g. 230V. If it is grounded then the circuit breaker/rcd should trip.

    And that is why devices in protection class I should not be connected to networks not adapted to such devices.
  • #10 16147739
    kkknc
    Level 43  
    It's a pulse power supply. So it will work the same. But the manufacturer gave the designation for something.
  • #11 16147741
    Marcin7254
    Level 13  
    I do not know much about electricity, but about electronics, yes, I do not consider myself to be some "professional" because I am far from it, but I also doubt that some transistor or anything else will magically bend when touching the housing, it will be more likely to just show the so-called "magic smoke" :D
  • #12 16147754
    strfind
    Level 17  
    Marcin7254 wrote:
    during a burnout, it will magically bend when touching the casing

    I just gave a general example of why the enclosures of Class I devices are grounded. I bet you and some other devices you have incorrectly connected.
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  • #13 16147758
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    Marcin7254 wrote:
    at most, the electricity will "kick" me a bit once I put my finger where there are traffic jams from the so-called "strength"

    Dude, just because you've been "kicked" once doesn't mean you've become "electric-proof".
    The next "kick" could kill you.
    Marcin7254 wrote:
    I don't know much about electricity

    So take the advice of those who know each other and apply it.
  • #14 16147760
    Marcin7254
    Level 13  
    So what advice do you offer me? :D

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    strfind wrote:
    you have some other devices connected incorrectly.
    It's hard not to guess after the fact that I don't have a grounding pin in the house :D
  • #15 16147775
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    Marcin7254 wrote:
    So what advice do you offer me? :D

    strfind wrote:
    do not connect devices in protection class I to networks not adapted to such devices.
  • #16 16147781
    Marcin7254
    Level 13  
    Maybe we'll end on that :D
  • #17 16147806
    retrofood
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Marcin7254 wrote:
    Maybe we'll end on that :D

    On the assumption
    Quote:
    I don't want to change anything
    it is the right decision.
    However, for those who will visit here someday, I will add that
    Marcin7254 wrote:
    Okay, theoretically, nothing should happen, after all, only the housing is grounded, right? besides, there is no transition between the contacts and the housing, so theoretically there should be no voltage on the housing, although my lack of grounding is not an advantage because I do not make a short circuit with an oscilloscope :D at most, the electricity will "kick" me a bit once I put my finger where there are traffic jams from the so-called "strength"
    Your theory doesn't have to be, and most of the time it's not true. Already at the power supply input there is a capacitive voltage divider, the center of which should be connected to the protective or protective-neutral or neutral conductor, otherwise the housing will be constantly half the supply voltage and in an efficient device! Therefore, it is absolutely necessary to adapt the power supply system to the needs of the device and it should be done immediately ! The technical costs of this are low, and how to do it depends on the type of installation. Electricians will know how it works.

    In addition, devices without a factory power cord with a plug are often sensitive to L and N reversal, so you should try to avoid such a power supply by making a permanent connection. We use other types of devices for transfer.

Topic summary

Swapping the L (live) and N (neutral) wires on a mounting power supply can lead to various consequences, primarily depending on the internal design of the power supply. If the power supply is designed with proper safety features, it may function without immediate issues; however, it poses risks if the fuse is on the phase line, potentially leading to failure during short circuits. The absence of a grounding connection in older house wiring increases the danger, as any insulation failure could result in the housing becoming live with 230V. It is crucial to ensure that devices, especially those classified as Class I, are connected to properly grounded networks to prevent hazardous situations. The discussion emphasizes the importance of adapting the power supply system to the device's requirements and suggests consulting with electricians for safe installation practices.
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