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Two-Way Staircase Switch & Single Switch Connection - Wiring 3 Wires & 2 Free Conductors

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  • #1 16165043
    adam998
    Level 25  
    Hello. I have a stair switch to connect and a single one in one. I connected 3 wires and the staircase works, but I have 2 more wires to connect to a single switch, I can not connect it in any way, someone can help?

    Two-Way Staircase Switch & Single Switch Connection - Wiring 3 Wires & 2 Free Conductors

    One of the two free conductors is phase and the other is neutral.
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  • #2 16165099
    kokapetyl
    Level 43  
    We'll start with the fact that everything is wrong. :!:
    It is forbidden to use the yellow-green wire for purposes other than intended.
    adam998 wrote:
    I have 2 more wires to connect to a single switch

    The phase (I suppose) is already connected, the lamp wire is missing (or wires depending on how many of these lamps are)
    The photo shows that you have two wires, two wires, both brown, neither of them can be a "neutral" wire
    Make the conclusion yourself. :cry:
  • #3 16165175
    adam998
    Level 25  
    Thank you for your interest, I understand that the yellow-green wire is a protective conductor and I understand what it is used for. However, in the case of a stair connection, voltage appears on it depending on the positions of the switches.
    When everything is disconnected, the brown wire that is connected now, as shown in the picture, is in phase. The two free brown wires when this connector turns on, the light in one of them is in phase.
  • #4 16165190
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    adam998 wrote:
    One of the two free conductors is phase and the other is neutral.


    You are saying that one of the two free brown wires is the neutral wire :?: how did you check it :?: maybe it's a wire closing to N by a light source, hence the misperception.

    EDIT:

    adam998 wrote:
    The two free brown wires when this connector turns on, the light in one of them is in phase


    So one of them (non-phase) must go to the terminal next to the terminal marked with L

    kokapetyl wrote:
    We'll start with the fact that everything is wrong.
    It is forbidden to use the yellow-green wire for purposes other than intended.


    Visually, a colleague said that everything was wrong in front of the computer :?: lectures on cables could be forgotten and so nothing will help in solving the problem and for this standard rule there is still no receipt for "Call an electrician"

    BTW: what happened to the moderator's post :?:
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  • #6 16165197
    kokapetyl
    Level 43  
    adam998 wrote:
    The two free brown wires when this connector turns on, the light in one of them is in phase.
    It's something wrong, you need to find out where it's coming from /
    How many light points are switched on by a stair switch? Are there lighting points that are not switched on by stair switches and are not switched on by other switches?

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    nowackahelena wrote:
    Analyze

    Where did my friend get the cross connector from?
  • #7 16165219
    nowackahelena
    Level 17  
    Sory staircase. we mark the cross and it's ok.
  • #8 16165227
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    kokapetyl wrote:
    This something is wrong, you need to find out from where it is coming /


    Why not so :?: someone just made a separate two-way switch and a single-pole switch next to him and the author wants to connect both on one switch, so one phase wire must be free.

    In the lower left corner of the photo from the first post there is another can and some piece of equipment.

    nowackahelena wrote:
    Sory staircase. we mark the cross and it's ok.


    The author's staircase works.
  • #9 16165235
    kokapetyl
    Level 43  
    mawerix123 wrote:
    Visually, a colleague said in front of the computer that everything was wrong

    Could a friend want to say that everything is OK :?:
  • #10 16165237
    adam998
    Level 25  
    mawerix123 wrote:
    adam998 wrote:
    One of the two free conductors is phase and the other is neutral.


    You are saying that one of the two free brown wires is the neutral wire :?: how did you check it :?: maybe it's a wire closing to N by a light source, hence the misperception.

    EDIT:

    adam998 wrote:
    The two free brown wires when this connector turns on, the light in one of them is in phase


    So one of them (non-phase) must go to the terminal next to the terminal marked with L

    kokapetyl wrote:
    We'll start with the fact that everything is wrong.
    It is forbidden to use the yellow-green wire for purposes other than intended.


    Visually, a colleague said that everything was wrong in front of the computer :?: lectures on cables could be forgotten and so nothing will help in solving the problem and for this standard rule there is still no receipt for "Call an electrician"

    BTW: what happened to the moderator's post :?:


    I am not sure that one of the two browns is neutral, one has a phase and the other is not :-)
    The non-phase one went like a colleague writes, but after this operation it works in the same way as stair switches, i.e. it reacts like stair lighting, only what now with the phase what was left?
    Added after 3 [minutes]:
    kokapetyl wrote:
    adam998 wrote:
    The two free brown wires when this connector turns on, the light in one of them is in phase.
    This something is wrong, you need to find out from where it is coming /
    How many light points are switched on by a stair switch? Are there lighting points that are not switched on by stair switches and are not switched on by other switches?
    Added after 2 [minutes]:
    nowackahelena wrote:
    Analyze

    Where did the colleague get the cross connector from?


    The stair switch switches on one point of light, while the single switch is to switch on the LED lighting and only this single switch is to switch them on
  • #11 16165255
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    kokapetyl wrote:
    Could a friend want to say that everything is OK


    Come on with these excursions to the coloring, it does not add anything to the solution of the problem, this is an intermediate topic which dragging through a dozen or so posts will not help the author in any way.

    adam998 wrote:
    The non-phase one went like a colleague writes, but after this operation it works in the same way as stair switches, i.e. it reacts like stair lighting, but what now with the phase what was left?


    So I'm afraid that my colleague will not use this switch BO brown plugged into the L terminal is not the power supply, but the output to the lamp, and the power supply is in the second stair switch, hence the additional phase wire.
    A colleague has to change this switch to another one or use a double stair switch.

    Only this statement below gives rise to doubts ...

    adam998 wrote:
    When everything is disconnected, the brown wire that is connected now, as shown in the picture, is in phase.


    You can show exactly where you connect this fourth wire :?:
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  • #12 16165278
    adam998
    Level 25  
    This fourth wire, called here non-phase from LED lighting, I connected at the bottom as the photo shows next to the L terminal on the right
  • #13 16165291
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    adam998 wrote:
    This fourth wire, called here non-phase from LED lighting, I connected at the bottom as the photo shows next to the L terminal on the right


    As I can see there are five inputs (probably not all with contacts), I do not know which one you connect to, but connect to the extreme right of the connected one.
    I will ask, maybe idiotically, but whether the switch is two-button because you can't see it.
  • #14 16165293
    kokapetyl
    Level 43  
    mawerix123 wrote:
    Could a friend want to say that everything is OK


    Come on with these excursions to the coloring, it does not add anything to the solution of the problem is an intermediate topic which dragging through a dozen or so posts will not help the author in any way.

    It's you trying to pull him and you didn't answer my question.

    mawerix123 wrote:
    BO brown plugged into the L terminal is not the power supply, but the output to the lamp, and the power supply is in the second stair switch, hence the additional phase wire.
    A colleague has to change this switch to another one or use a double stair switch.

    I can agree with the first part. As for the rest, first you need to check if these two power supplies are from one point (secured with one and the same fuse)
  • #15 16165309
    adam998
    Level 25  
    mawerix123 wrote:
    adam998 wrote:
    This fourth wire, called here non-phase from LED lighting, I connected at the bottom as the photo shows next to the L terminal on the right


    As I can see there are five inputs (probably not all with contacts), I do not know which one you connect to, but connect to the extreme right of the connected one.
    I will ask, maybe idiotically, but whether the switch is two-button because you can't see it.


    So it is now connected at the bottom right, this wire is not in phase from the LED
    Yes, the switch is two-button

    Two-Way Staircase Switch & Single Switch Connection - Wiring 3 Wires & 2 Free Conductors
    Added after 7 [minutes]:
    kokapetyl wrote:
    mawerix123 wrote:
    Could a friend want to say that everything is OK


    Come on with these excursions to the coloring, it does not add anything to the solution of the problem is an intermediate topic which dragging through a dozen or so posts will not help the author in any way.

    It's you trying to pull him and you didn't answer my question.

    mawerix123 wrote:
    BO brown plugged into the L terminal is not the power supply, but the output to the lamp, and the power supply is in the second stair switch, hence the additional phase wire.
    A colleague has to change this switch to another one or use a double stair switch.

    I can agree with the first part. As for the rest, first you need to check if these two power supplies are from one point (secured with one and the same fuse)


    Am I able to check if these two cables are powered from one source?
    Added after 3 [minutes]:
    I noticed one thing, as it is connected now, the stair switch also turns on the LED lighting, but first it will shine so dimly and in a fraction of a second stronger normally, However, if I shorten these wires, the LED lights up normally brightly.
  • #16 16165341
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    adam998 wrote:
    So it is now connected at the bottom right, this wire is not in phase from the LED


    So, unfortunately, you have to replace the switch with another one, I found the right one from the series you have Karlik Deco -> http://sklepkarlik.pl/produkt,karlik-deco,dwp...cznik-podwojny-schodów-zmienny,kolor-bialy,71

    kokapetyl wrote:
    I can agree with the first part. However, for the rest, first you need to check if these two power supplies are from one point (secured with one and the same fuse)


    In this case, you can agree with the whole statement or not about the power supply, it does not matter in this case because the pedestrian and the LEDs must be on separate switches not electrically connected with each other.
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    #17 16165347
    kokapetyl
    Level 43  
    mawerix123 wrote:
    In this case, you can agree with the whole statement or not about the power supply, it does not matter in this case

    It does matter, you cannot have two phases in one gang box, coming from different circuits.
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  • #18 16165363
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    Sorry, someone made this installation, I will not break it down into prime factors.

    adam998 wrote:
    Am I able to check if these two cables are powered from one source?


    Turn off the power supply of the passer-house circuit and check if there is voltage in the switch box on any of the wires.
  • #19 16165399
    adam998
    Level 25  
    I turned off the circuit in the switchboard and there was no current on any wire.
    And there are such spells in the forest :-)

    Two-Way Staircase Switch & Single Switch Connection - Wiring 3 Wires & 2 Free Conductors
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    #20 16165422
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    adam998 wrote:
    And there are such spells in the forest


    No magic, only boxless installation.
  • #21 16165431
    adam998
    Level 25  
    Ok, that is, everything is clear new double stair switch.
    Thank you very much for your help and understanding
    I wish everyone the next year :-)
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The discussion revolves around the wiring of a two-way staircase switch and a single switch, where the user has successfully connected three wires for the staircase but is struggling with two additional wires. The responses highlight the importance of correctly identifying the phase and neutral wires, emphasizing that the yellow-green wire should not be used for purposes other than grounding. Several participants suggest that the user may have misidentified the wires and recommend using a double stair switch to properly manage the connections. The user confirms that the current setup causes the LED lighting to behave erratically, indicating a wiring issue. Ultimately, the consensus is to replace the switch with a suitable model to ensure proper functionality.
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