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Choosing IP Monitoring Cable: Internal, Flush Mounting, Pure Copper Wire, Shielding & Max Length

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  • #1 16207562
    Jasiek Matacz
    Level 7  
    Welcome,
    I am new to the topic, so please help me in this seemingly trivial topic. How to choose a cable for IP monitoring? Internal cable and internal use, wire instead of cable because flush mounting, pure copper because each line can have a dozen or more m (estimated max 20-25m) but what about e.g. shielding? Is it required in monitoring? Anything else I should pay attention to? Because for now I'm thinking of the usual: https://www.morele.net/linkbasic-drut-100-miedz-utp-kat-5e-szary-305m-cla04-uc5e-267893/
    From here, please let me know if it works or what else to look for.
    Regards
    JM
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    #2 16207638
    szymon122
    Level 38  
    Since it is max. 20-25m instead of 100-200, every cable will work just fine (of course Ethernet).
  • #3 16207707
    tutsi
    Level 4  
    cat 6e at least, CAT5 it was 10 years ago
  • #4 16207782
    Jasiek Matacz
    Level 7  
    But what will category 6 give me in monitoring how the image from a 4Mpx camera will be sent that way so I will probably have a huge bandwidth reserve anyway?
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    #5 16208144
    michualex

    Level 24  
    tutsi wrote:
    cat 6e at least, CAT5 it was 10 years ago


    I propose 7A ...
    Can you explain why you put cat.6? For what purpose?
    Jasiek Matacz wrote:
    But what will category 6 give me in monitoring how the image from a 4Mpx camera will be sent that way so I will probably have a huge bandwidth reserve anyway?


    Of course, cat 5 fulfills its task in monitoring installations.

    As a curiosity, I will add that the investor currently requests monitoring at u / ftp cat. 6A for cameras! Because they have such standards. They didn't get it out of their minds, I had to earn rj45 stp plugs on cameras because only they fit this cable. Imagine making this wire in the cold :) this is not feasible. I will only add that I disassembled analogues on this object and they also had a cat cable to them. 6A :)
  • #6 16210522
    Jasiek Matacz
    Level 7  
    For now I have:
    cable https://www.morele.net/linkbasic-drut-100-miedz-utp-kat-5e-szary-305m-cla04-uc5e-267893/
    casings https://www.morele.net/gembird-oslonka-na-wtyk-rj45-100-sztuk-czarna-bt5bk-5-287095/
    plugs https://www.morele.net/maclean-wtyk-rj45-8p8c-5e-drut-mctv-662-100-szt-659652/
    And now I am asking you for the most important. Once upon a time at work I laid the cables myself but it was basically you have a cable, accessories and earn. Now I will not combine and borrow equipment from friends or look for a working one at work - it even falls out that the IT specialist has his own set. Hence the question. What good crimp tool and tester would serve them as long as I could buy for myself? As for the crimper itself, it would be great to have a stripper right away. And the last stupid question because after so many years the volatile memory, if I remove the insulation from the cable, unravel it, arrange the veins with a stripper somehow the insulation was removed from them or only when crimping the pin teeth cut into them cutting the insulation?
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  • #7 16210669
    michualex

    Level 24  
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9efjornTIFw


    I use a crimping tool exactly this: Modular crimp connector HT N5684R
    The best I've had the opportunity to work.


    Crimping tool, e.g. NEO is the biggest berth in my hands. I advise against this type of construction.
  • #8 16214489
    Expert Grupa Topex
    Level 14  
    michualex wrote:
    Crimping tool, e.g. NEO is the biggest berth in my hands. I advise against this type of construction.


    Hi michualex,

    I am an employee of the Topex Group (owner of the NEO brand), so I would be very grateful if you tell me exactly what model of the crimper you are dissatisfied with and what does not suit you. Is it about the RJ 01-501 model?
    Constructive criticism is always very valuable to us because it helps us work on improving our tools, which is why I would love to hear specific allegations. To be honest, for the first time I hear such a negative opinion about our crimping machines, so I would love to know what we deserved.

    I will be grateful for the description of the problem.

    Regards
    Tomek
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  • #9 16216948
    michualex

    Level 24  
    Expert Grupa Topex wrote:
    I will be grateful for the description of the problem.


    I am already describing it. RJ 01-501


    1. Replaceable heads.
    I can't understand why the replaceable connector cartridges were used. Buying even the cheapest press I have all 3 types in one device. Replaceable heads, which you always need to have somewhere with you. Once I had to press a 4pin plug and I had a surprise because the cartridges were in a different place and I with the Prague in another. I know I could have them with me but unfortunately I didn't have one. Working with the HT N5684R press I don't have this problem.

    2. Self-unscrewing head
    Drama. The head actually disassembles itself, blocks all the work of the Prague and you have to get tired to press the "dynks" in its place to start ironing.

    3. The head does not clamp the plug
    The crimping tool did not know what crimping process it was. After some time, I thought that my blood would be flooded on a certain object because I had to earn about 50 connectors, and instead of pressing the pins vertically, they clamped them at an angle. It was no longer possible to earn a plug later. He kept bending the pins sideways.

    4. Blade
    The shears that are used to evenly cut the wires chipped in several places, which made the tool difficult to work with and I really had to carry side pliers with me.

    Summary
    All 4 points refer to two pieces of such presses.
    From the neo equipment only the Prague minus.
    I have more NEO equipment, I recommend first of all insulated equipment up to 1000v because I work very well with it.
    On the downside in the NEO brand are also pliers 01-510 which chip very quickly, we had 3 pairs of them and it was the same. If something in the cutting surface is chipping, it cuts during cutting
    Of course, the best product we've had the pleasure of using is 01-500 wire strippers. None have been damaged. They took kilometers of wires :)
  • #10 16217246
    wotik
    Level 20  
    michualex wrote:
    I had to earn rj45 stp plugs on cameras because only those fit this cable.

    So out of pure curiosity I will ask cable screens connect on both sides of the cable? What cable lengths? Cables in the building or outside too?

    Added after 7 [minutes]:

    Jasiek Matacz wrote:
    What good crimp tool and tester would serve them as long as I could buy for myself?

    Crimp tool, basically any "normal" type plug. No quirks, with a stripper to cut the coating and a knife to cut the wires. It may also be able to crimp RJ12 or RJ11 - it will probably come in handy sometime.
    Tester - depends what you want to test. If only the correctness of earning the cable - just ordinary for 20 PLN which only makes a short circuit in pairs during testing link .
    Jasiek Matacz wrote:
    And the last stupid question because after so many years the volatile memory, if I remove the insulation from the cable, unravel it, arrange the veins with a stripper somehow the insulation was removed from them or only when crimping the pin teeth cut into them cutting the insulation?

    You do nothing. Insert the cut wires into the plug all the way and crimp with the earner.
  • #11 16226712
    Expert Grupa Topex
    Level 14  
    Hi,

    Thank you for the detailed opinion about our product, we will definitely take it into account during quality control. Problems with crimping plugs and a loose head may actually be the result of a defective copy that occurs everywhere, even at high-end players. We monitor the guarantees of our products on an ongoing basis, also the 01-501 model and it does not differ in quality from our other tools of this type, e.g. the pliers 01-500 mentioned above.

    NEO is a brand for which we give 25 years warranty, so if the tool is not really suitable for work, I encourage you to send it for a guarantee. If you decide on this option, please attach the proof of purchase to the product, a detailed description of the fault and send to:

    Topex Group
    Service
    Borderland 2/4,
    02-285 Warsaw

    I hope I helped.

    Regards
    Tomek
  • #12 16227767
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #13 16230002
    Expert Grupa Topex
    Level 14  
    Dear norbert.s.,

    the purpose of my post was not to spread propaganda but to help the michualex user solve the problem with his crimper.

    I don't understand what you mean by the lack of "more advanced tools" on the list.

    Here is the link to the full list of NEO products covered by a 25-year warranty, broken down into several articles: http://neo-tools.com/article/index/group/group_id/1/

    In total, we will find over 2,200 items - virtually the entire range of NEO hand tools.

    Therefore, I will not agree with the fact that we give 25 years warranty only for the basic tools of our brand.

    Regards
    Tomek
  • #14 16346466
    Jasiek Matacz
    Level 7  
    wotik wrote:
    Tester - depends what you want to test. If only the correctness of earning the cable - just ordinary for 20 PLN which only makes shorting in pairs during Link testing.

    Out of pure stupid curiosity, what else can the tester do besides correctly making the cables?
  • #15 16346492
    szymon122
    Level 38  
    All in all it is only the batteries that can test besides when you put in a discharged it will not work :D his functions end there.
  • #16 16346517
    wotik
    Level 20  
    Jasiek Matacz wrote:
    Out of pure stupid curiosity, what else can the tester do besides correctly making the cables?

    The simplest (which I wrote about) you will not check anything more ...

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around selecting the appropriate cable for IP monitoring systems, focusing on internal use, flush mounting, and specifications such as pure copper wire, shielding, and maximum length. Users suggest that for a distance of 20-25 meters, standard Ethernet cables like CAT5e or CAT6 are sufficient, with some advocating for CAT6A for higher standards. The conversation also touches on the necessity of shielding in monitoring applications and the importance of using quality crimping tools and testers for installation. Recommendations for specific tools and brands are provided, along with user experiences regarding the reliability of different crimping tools.
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