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  • Level 5  
    Hello, I need urgent help regarding the choice of a home call, as I have to make a purchase later this week. After Christmas, I start renovating my home. At the beginning, the whole installation at home was to be made in category 6, but I asked the installers at work and stated that it does not make any sense, I know them a little and know how they work, so I do not believe them to the end, so please verify whether I chose well. Internet at home will probably be some radio in the countryside or (unfortunately) TPSA.
    I've searched a little bit online and decided on the Bitner copper cable:
    # inside the house:
    * in a tunnel made of GK plates with a current cable (point light) I want to let go:
    - FTP 5e BITNER twisted pair cable, http://allegro.pl/polski-kabel-skretka-ftp-5e-bitner-miedz-100m-i6761435063.html, I read a little about the need to ground it but I think the installer will know what to do.
    # outside of the house:
    * here I have doubts, for sure gel-jelly only with or without screen?
    - UTP 5e UTP cable, BITNER gel, http://allegro.pl/polski-kabel-skretka-ziemny-utp-5e-zel-bitner-100m-i5937785266.html
    - FTP 5E twisted pair cable, Bitner gel, http://allegro.pl/kabel-skretka-ftp-5e-zel-bitner-cu-miedz-polski-i6760380996.html
    Under the camera, I can also make a twist with the screen, so far I do not plan but I prefer to have a ready cable.
    Regards, Krzysiek
  • Network and Internet Specialist
    in home conditions, you can use UTP twisted pair.
    Gelled on the outside and you can also give it in the ground.
    The cameras will also be OK.
  • Level 5  
    Hello, thank you for your quick response. Due to the fact that the cable will be next to the current or not better to give the twisted pair with the screen, the cost of a small and then there may be a problem with the substitution. Outside without a screen? Only twisted pair is enough for the camera, and how does it power it?
    I also need a box in which I would hide all connectors etc. something like "Multimedialna Skrzynia Mieszkaniowa" http://allegro.pl/multimedialna-skrzynka-mieszkanio-obudowa-530-i6582516330.html any suggestions for stores with such accessories?
  • Level 16  
    Rather, there should be no problems, in one of the companies I have to put ordinary UTP cables on the power cord with high voltage and there are never problems.

    As for cameras, all you need is a twisted-pair cable, you can use the same twisted-pair cable to power up PoE from PoE or PoAs.
  • Level 42  
    In theory, it is not recommended to let UTP wires together with 230VAC power cables in one channel. For example, the American Panduit for category 5 (unshielded) ordered a distance of 20cm between these lines. The topic generally applies to long, straight wire sections, in these conditions it is easy to interact.
  • Level 17  
    Have you considered making a Wi-Fi network next to the "cable"? You will reduce the amount of cable (you will reduce costs and the number of working hours) and you will get a more flexible system. Because I understand that twisted pair is mainly needed for cameras.
  • Level 42  
    Nowadays, however, there are also desktops, it makes no sense to buy WiFi cards for them, since they have built-in wired cards.
  • Level 17  
    But I think it is difficult in these times to have a computer without USB sockets (even stationary). You can buy a network card just on USB, price from a dozen or so zlotys. And it's cheaper than laying a cable. and certainly easier / simpler. The issue of coverage (antenna quality): but here you can find cards with external antennas. And there is no problem when the concept of furnishing the room changes or the place of setting such a computer changes.
    And nowadays, most devices have the ability to communicate over Wi-Fi. So why not give yourself "bigger possibilities"?
    "It's important that the cons will not override us."
    I do not have everything equipped with Wi-Fi but I think that it is possible to use wireless connection where it is possible because it is cheap and convenient. Unless there is a need to ensure high data / network security and vulnerability to burglary.
    Yogi009 it is probably easier to equip a desktop computer with Wi-Fi than a tablet with an Ethernet port ;-)
  • Level 42  
    marianm68 wrote:
    You can buy a network card just for USB


    You can. You can also rely on the classic network card. In the first case, you do not pull the cables, in the second there is no trouble with the signal from behind several walls, etc. All this to the author's decision.
    Former construction norms in the so-called States (just in the case of office buildings) clearly defined the number of sockets per floor area :-) With us, we will probably never see such standards.
    What to choose: ethernet / wifi is a smooth thing. Apparently comfortable, like satellites also enter, and yet behind the western border they cable everything as it flies. Preferably a copper-free cable :-)
  • Level 43  
    marianm68 wrote:
    But I think it is difficult in these times to have a computer without USB sockets (even stationary). You can buy a network card just on USB, price from a dozen or so zlotys. And it's cheaper than laying a cable. and certainly easier / simpler. The issue of coverage (antenna quality): but here you can find cards with external antennas. And there is no problem when the concept of furnishing the room changes or the place of setting such a computer changes.
    And nowadays, most devices have the ability to communicate over Wi-Fi. So why not give yourself "bigger possibilities"?
    "It's important that the cons will not override us."
    I do not have everything equipped with Wi-Fi but I think that it is possible to use wireless connection where it is possible because it is cheap and convenient. Unless there is a need to ensure high data / network security and vulnerability to burglary.
    Yogi009 it is probably easier to equip a desktop computer with Wi-Fi than a tablet with an Ethernet port ;-)


    Do not think about it in my life - Nothing can replace the cabling - wifi is just an additional option for mobile devices and for it to work well, you need to purchase a branded AP, not budget equipment - unless you like to constantly bury the network.

    Bitner is such a medium quality cable. When using FTP cables you need to remember about the whole equipment (sockets, patchpanel, switch, routers, RJ-45 connectors) - which is compatible with the FTP standard.

    I think it would be a better solution to use UTP 6 a cable than FTP e5 - as already.

    And if outside you do not have overhead lines and everything goes in the ground, UTP should also check.
  • Level 17  
    hermes-80 wrote:
    Do not think about it in my life - Nothing can replace the cabling - wifi is just an additional option for mobile devices and for it to work well, you need to purchase a branded AP, not budget equipment - unless you like to constantly bury the network.

    I understand this point.
    That's why I asked: "Were you going to do a Wi-Fi network next to the" cable "- I used the word" next to the cable "instead of" instead of ".
    The topic applies to the network at home. And that's why I let myself speak on this topic. A few years ago, during the renovation of the apartment, I "walled up" about 100m of twisted pair which I hardly use today. Almost everything goes on Wi-Fi and I do not "bury constantly on the web" - my needs satisfy quite well, I do not complain.
    Of course, the author of the topic will choose the best options for him. I only presented my point of view.

    "not good, but what good."
  • Level 42  
    hermes-80 wrote:
    Do not think about it in life - Nothing can replace cabling - wifi is just an additional option for mobile devices


    And I agree with it 100%.
  • Level 29  
    I also. Despite having a rather high-end router, the cable is necessary for me. I can not imagine killing the router with a 2x 30mbps video stream, operating several cameras while simultaneously uploadzie large files on FTP and a smooth connection of a dozen or so devices.

    Added after 42 [seconds]:

    marianm68 wrote:
    it's probably easier to equip a desktop computer with Wi-Fi than a tablet with an Ethernet port


    Your friend is wrong here ;)
  • Level 42  
    This can be briefly summarized: wired connection gives stability and wifi convenience. It's best to have both :-)
  • Level 5  
    Hello, thank you all for your answers, I did not say anything because of leaving and "slipping down" with renovation (starting after Mayday). Coming back to the topic of wi-fi, however, it will certainly be where I would like to pull the cable. You write that the Bittner cable is average, what companies do you recommend?
  • Level 31  
    What do you give it in the gel while on the inside of the house shielded twisted pair, and as for the class and interference it should work on every class.
  • Level 42  
    Buy a cable in a stationary store, on which RJ45 plugs tighten well, it is usually enough. Well, classic, on the walls twisted-wire, or patch-cord is a cable.
  • Level 5  
    Thanks, I've looked for such answers, best regards.
    What cable wire to the home network?