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Distributing twisted pair around the house, it is better to use shielded or ordi

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  • #1 16871224
    Birkin_Pl
    Level 9  
    Hello,
    I've been wanting to run cables all over the house for a long time. I'm going to invest in cables and switch categories 6.
    Should the cables from the patch panel to the sockets be shielded or can they be unshielded, the cheapest? Will this affect network performance?
    I found a similar topic probably from 2007 but a lot of things may have changed since then.
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  • #2 16871260
    mbo
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    In domestic conditions, unshielded ones are enough.
    However, I would not take the cheapest cable, but a proven copper one.
  • #3 16871264
    Birkin_Pl
    Level 9  
    By proven, do you mean just more well-known companies or any in particular?
  • #4 16871265
    pitron
    Level 24  
    In home conditions, it will not affect the operation of the network. It is important in industrial facilities where large electromagnetic fields are generated. But if you do a full installation with grounding and use shielded cables, you will have the satisfaction of a professionally made infrastructure ;-) .
  • #5 16871268
    mbo
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    And if you do something wrong with a shielded cable, you will have problems instead of satisfaction.

    Proven, with copper strands, not copper-plated.
  • #6 16871280
    Birkin_Pl
    Level 9  
    @mbo how to tell if the cable has copper cores and not copper-plated? Is there a letter or number in the specification that identifies this?
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  • #7 16871281
    pitron
    Level 24  
    Unfortunately, most of the cables on the market are CCA.
    I bought copper to order.
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  • #8 16871289
    Birkin_Pl
    Level 9  
    So in an online store such as apricots or maybe I will not find copper cables on Allegro? @pitron could you give me the contact of the person you ordered from if he's still into it ;)
  • #9 16871381
    pitron
    Level 24  
    I bought on tim.pl search for Legrand or Madex
  • #10 16871746
    Birkin_Pl
    Level 9  
    I found a spool, but for 1000 PLN / 100m. Should copper cables be so expensive?
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  • #12 16871847
    Birkin_Pl
    Level 9  
    I was looking for the above mentioned companies from @pitron . Thanks a lot, I think I'll buy a cable today and get to work.
  • #13 16871998
    djtommy
    Level 24  
    I put Cat at my place. 6a Alanteca, in my opinion a very good twisted pair.
    Isn't it better to put 6a than 6?
  • #14 16872218
    Birkin_Pl
    Level 9  
    Preferably 8, but I'm not sure if my budget is of the same opinion ;)

    ----/EDIT/----
    Do you think that such a set plus cables will be a good start to start your adventure with running a network at home xD
    http://www.morele.net/inventory/info/ff35621a

    Moderated By jimasek:

    I pay attention to the statement
    3.1.17. Do not send very basic questions that can be answered in the user manual or publicly available sources. Don't take the attitude that I deserve it. Take care of the level of questions and discussions. Thank you.

  • #15 16872280
    pitron
    Level 24  
    If the spool is still Bitner.
    Chinese brands write 100% Cu or write nothing. From Chinese oems, I can recommend ready-made Logilink and Dugitus patchcords.

    Added after 13 [minutes]:

    The 6U cabinet is a colossus for home use.
    Lip clamper, look for another. OK.
    I would choose a managed switch.
  • #16 16872306
    hermes-80
    Level 43  
    I have a similar switch - TL-SG1016DE (probably I wouldn't take it a second time) sometimes it behaves strangely, as if it would restart - once every 2/3 months. Maybe he got kicked after the storm, even though he was grounded, once his brother-in-law said that his cabinet caught fire like a Christmas tree (it's hard to say something because he's not supervising him). Maybe something from Netgar.
  • #17 16872324
    pitron
    Level 24  
    On Allegro you can get something class HPE 1820-24G used for about PLN 300. Good gigabit hardware, SFP, STP, vlans, etc.

    Speaking of these sockets, they are huge. Intelinet has such a nice little surface-mounted
  • #18 16872560
    Birkin_Pl
    Level 9  
    Unfortunately, I do not have the ability to forge in the walls, I intend to lead it through the attic with white slats and put the connectors on the wall, unfortunately I have no way to drill, I have to do everything on the wall. So you think it's better to aim at NETGAR than TP-Link? As for a managed switch, what does that get me? I once had experience with a TP-Link desktop switch for 5 ports, everything worked perfectly, so I don't know why I should look there. I don't really need vLan stuff, the only "server-like" connection, apart from computers and printers, is maybe a Synology network drive and a CCTV system.

    --/EDIT/--
    And as for the crimpers, could you help me find a good one for PLN 40? I'm not going to buy a super professional one for PLN 200 because probably my adventure with networks will end for some time after laying it, but I also don't want something that will fall apart when I barely touch it
  • #19 16872668
    pitron
    Level 24  
    Maybe you don't need a switch, instead you can invest in a router something like MikroTik MT RB2011UiAS-2HnD-IN.
    You have 10 LAN ports, 1 SFP for optical fiber and usb for modem and wifi. The disadvantage is that it is equipment for advanced networkers. ASUS RT-AC1200G+ only few LAN ports.

    The best inexpensive crimper is a classic one, e.g. Cablexpert T-WC-01 other brands in this style.
  • #20 16872721
    Birkin_Pl
    Level 9  
    My ISP situation is very complicated, so I prefer not to touch the router :) However, I really want to create the entire network based on a gigabit network, and in the future using cat. 6 cables, maybe 10GBPS. If you could provide the exact link to the crimper, I would be grateful, they all look the same to me
  • #22 16873372
    djtommy
    Level 24  
    In Leroy Merlin I bought a set - crimper + tester + LSA press tool + insulation stripper for PLN 119.
    It's good for homemade.
  • #24 16874032
    djtommy
    Level 24  
    It looks identical to the one from the set in Leroy Merlin :)
    It works.
  • #25 16874189
    JacekCz
    Level 42  
    Birkin_Pl wrote:
    My ISP situation is very complicated, so I prefer not to touch the router :) However, I really want to create the entire network based on a gigabit network, and in the future using cat. 6 cables, maybe 10GBPS. If you could provide the exact link to the crimper, I would be grateful, they all look the same to me


    Then you can't tighten the plugs on the cable. The part built-in with a 'wire' from the panel to the sockets, depending on the manufacturer, the so-called 'knife' or 'toolless'. Required high culture "in hand" and repeatability, which you can't learn from the internet.
    Cables (patchcords and station cables) with strands, factory-made.
    Clamping the plugs on the cable in the range you write about NEVER happens.

    On makeshift Gb it may work, it may not work, or the worst thing is that it works "sometimes".
  • #26 16874458
    Birkin_Pl
    Level 9  
    I would need a crimper more for stripping insulation than for actual crimping
  • #27 16886629
    IC_Current
    Network and Internet specialist
    Here's a similar thread:
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3401980.html

    From the popular cables, I recommend Telefonica or Bitner. No Chinese.
    Wires always terminated with a socket on one side and a panel on the other. Ready-made patch cords between devices and sockets, not self-made.
    Keystones e.g. A-LAN and you don't need any tools (read "experience in use").

    Added after 13 [minutes]:

    Active Equipment:
    TP-Link - great home routers for DSL. The rest is a lottery, especially gigabit devices.
    Mikrotik - not for beginners, unstable, buggy software.

    From inexpensive:
    The lowest models of HP Enterprise, 3Com, Ubiquity.
    Helpful post? Buy me a coffee.
  • #28 16886676
    hermes-80
    Level 43  
    Quote:
    Active Gear:
    TP-Link - great home routers for DSL. The rest is a lottery, especially gigabit devices.
    Mikrotik - not for beginners, unstable, buggy software.

    Seriously? :) I would reverse the descriptions.
  • #29 16886696
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #30 16886917
    pitron
    Level 24  
    Ah 3com good hardware but absorbed by HP ages ago.
    Maybe someday some fan will buy the rights to the brand and revive the brand, for now it's over :-( :-)

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the choice between shielded and unshielded twisted pair cables for home networking, specifically using Category 6 cables. Participants agree that unshielded cables are generally sufficient for domestic environments, as electromagnetic interference is minimal compared to industrial settings. However, they recommend investing in high-quality copper cables rather than cheaper copper-clad aluminum (CCA) options. Various brands and models of cables and switches are suggested, with emphasis on the importance of proper installation and grounding. Users also discuss the necessity of a good crimper for cable preparation and the potential benefits of managed switches for advanced networking needs.
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