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Peugeot 307 2.0 HDI ATED RHS - Kopci on idle / heavy smokes / high corrections

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  • #1
    radoslaw32
    Level 2  
    Hello.
    I have a problem. Well, I have a car as in the subject, EGR and DPF have been turned off in the controller (EGR not blocked, DPF physically removed).
    The problem is that at idle heels gray / blue - the smell of exhaust fumes is pungent, after standing at idle, when I chase it away, it smokes for a while more intensively and then while smoking is invisible ... (video 1 - shows the intensity of smoking) .
    In the morning when it is cold, he has to turn for a while before he starts (Video 3 - but he was not after an overnight stop)
    Video 1 -

    Video 2 (engine idling and load parameters) -

    Video 3 -
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    Additional information:
    - I started to add 2T oil to the fuel because, when I changed the filter, I noticed swarf,
    - Head gasket ok because I checked with a tester,
    - Permanent error: Charging solenoid valve: short circuit plus to ground (charging done for a short time), I suspect the valve because it is as if exploded ... but how can you physically check the + 12V valve? for example, disconnect from EGR and translate, and uplifts from negative pressure to clog ...?
    - Permanent error: Instrument cluster - Oil temperature info, the received value is incorrect (here I don't know what to do)
    - Can you see that the recirculation solenoid valve ratio is changing despite the EGR switch off in video 2 - is this correct?
    - oil in the intake piping (turbocharger or pneumothorax)?

    Is it possible to judge from the above data that it is the fault of the injectors?
    I will be very grateful for all the information, comments and guidance,
    greetings.
  • #2
    EndrjuWiwi
    Level 10  
    Hello,
    wanting to honestly help you, I analyzed everything you wrote, and so ..
    1. When you remove an egr, you shouldn't be surprised, it will always smoke a little.
    2. All three hundred have problems with the oil sensor. Hard topic.
    3. The expenditure is very high for you, I suspect a problem with injections.
    4. It can be a turbocharger, the sealing may not give 100% efficiency, and it sucks in a little oil, hence the color and smell ...
    If you can't do it alone, let me know and I'll recommend you contact. Write what and how. Greetings.
  • #3
    Matylda_26
    Level 12  
    EndrjuWiwi wrote:
    1. When you remove an egr, you shouldn't be surprised, it will always smoke a little.
    What?

    Blind Mr egr because maybe it is not closed tightly.
  • #4
    EndrjuWiwi
    Level 10  
    Matylda_26 wrote:
    EndrjuWiwi wrote:
    1. When you remove an egr, you shouldn't be surprised, it will always smoke a little.
    What?

    Blind Mr egr because maybe it is not closed tightly.


    Thanks to matylda_26, of course, it's about DPF, the particulate filter is removed, not the EGR valve.
  • #5
    Janomen
    Level 11  
    Hello. And DPF physically removed? Check the intake system for leaks.
  • #6
    Matylda_26
    Level 12  
    Well, he wrote that DPF removed. Moderation begins with teaching about uppercase and lowercase letters or the lack of commas, and those who cannot read and provide information walk around the forum in the wild.
  • #7
    Bunny82
    Level 16  
    Dpf physically removed and also programmatically ???
    If it burns heavily, check the glow plugs and see how quickly the pump builds up pressure in the tank. If there are filings in the system, unfortunately, give the injections to clean because the leaky overflow in the injection pump cannot build pressure. Two overflow test when firing it will be all known.
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  • #9
    radoslaw32
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    Thank you for your interest in the topic.
    Answering the questions:
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    Power: 107KM, Start of warranty period: 01.2004, so it is an engine with intercooler, Vin: VF33HRHSB83329303
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    Two weeks ago, I changed the fuel filter and noticed the swarf, then at the last refueling I added 2T oil in a ratio of 1: 100. I haven't checked yet what the bottom of the can looks like after using the oil, I'll do it at the next weekend. The photo below shows the number of filings that occur when replacing the filter. Peugeot 307 2.0 HDI ATED RHS - Kopci on idle / heavy smokes / high corrections
    The next photo shows the type of injectors that are in my engine. Peugeot 307 2.0 HDI ATED RHS - Kopci on idle / heavy smokes / high corrections
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    Smoke (light gray) also occurs when the engine is warmed up to 80 degrees, idle for a while and starts to smoke,
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    I did the transfer test, but I did not know exactly under what conditions it should take place ...
    Is the engine to be warmed up? How many minutes should the test last (specific time or until the graduates are filled)? I did it, it can be said in 3 phases in the first phase for a few minutes (I do not know exactly 1-3 min) Idle 800 rpm, then the revs were increased to 2000 rpm (and now I know that it is unnecessary) and finally the engine was running again idling 800 rpm to fill the graduated cylinders. But despite the above fact, you can still see the relationship that the first injector has a smaller amount of fuel than the others, I will only add that the test was carried out in 12.2016 and before the removal of dpf. Picture below.
    Peugeot 307 2.0 HDI ATED RHS - Kopci on idle / heavy smokes / high corrections
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    The test was also done by my colleague, a mechanic, he checked the compression, unfortunately, only two cylinders, on which the pressure gauge showed 27 bar. On the other two he could not wring out the candles because they are baked. And here is the question, how to unscrew the candles without damaging them when they are baked? Are there any home ways? I do not remember at the moment on which cylinders he performed the check ... as soon as I determine this, I will complete the content of the post.
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    In the near future it will be done.
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    If I remove the throttle completely, what should I do with the remaining vacuum lines and solenoid valve?
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    Will be done shortly.

    Choosing the recharge solenoid valve, which I probably fell, because as you can see in the photo below it is cracked and as if exploded (cleaning the interior did nothing) and there is a constant error short circuit plus to ground, can I buy some other look different, does it have to be identical? With the same numbers? Ew. since I have turned off the EGR in the software, I might suspect to use the EGR solenoid valve, but then there will probably be a constant error, the EGR solenoid valve is open - these are my speculations.
    Below is a photo of my current (probably damaged) solenoid valve.
    Peugeot 307 2.0 HDI ATED RHS - Kopci on idle / heavy smokes / high corrections
    Thank you in advance for any hints.
    Greetings,
    radoslaw32
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    Matylda_26
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    KotBury2 wrote:
    It should be remembered that from now on, fuel supply with 2T oil lasts until the end of engine life and is as routine as breathing

    Let me ask you, if we pour 2T into the tank once, does it mean that we will have to pour it all the time?
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    Matylda_26
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    Not for eggs. Sorry for this question. It was actually stupid. He really feels like an idiot now.
    Returning to the topic, we all in the family refuel cars with fuel from the Kaliningrad region. We have a man who brings us 1000 liters once a month. This fuel is more fat than our Polish one.
  • #14
    Bunny82
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    After overflows you can see that the overflow valves in the injections are leaking and the injections with the pump must go to repair. Sooner or later it will end that you will have to give the whole set for repair. If there are filings in the system, all that had to do with fuel is to thoroughly flush the entire system, and the tank somewhere I heard that it fits with gas only I'm not 100% sure. You will not eliminate all filings from the tank, so I would not risk mounting it again after rinsing. And after this procedure is the sense of adding oil to oil.
  • #15
    radoslaw32
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    Welcome back,
    I checked points from 3-5 as KotBury2 advised and there is no improvement. Heaps of smoke next. The external diagnoscope shows that the injector no. 1 all the time there is a large minus correction (E.g. today with a given injection rate of 6mm3 / injection, correction on injection No. 1 was -1.92 mm3 / injection. And the next injections had corrections on +, i.e. Injection No. 2: 0 , 04, No. 3: 1.22, No. 4: 0.59). My guess is that since injection no. 1 has a problem (clogged or the cylinder is not compressed) the other ones are watered to even out the work, and so can kicking occur?
    I want to buy a used injection and replace the discussed No. 1, only ...
    1) Is it true that in Peugeots injections are numbered from the gearbox side, i.e. for me, Injection No. 1 is the first injection from the gearbox ...? Do I reason well? And if the diagnoscope shows me that Injection No. 1 has a problem, is it 100% the first injection from the gearbox side?
    2) Can you recommend me a proven drug dealer? Or are you of the opinion that it is better to send them all for checking? Does anyone know the prices of such checking with professionals? What workshop do you recommend when it comes to checking and regeneration?

    Thank you in advance for all your answers.
    greetings