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Evolution Rage 3S: Can a 110V AC Motor Operate Efficiently on 230V?

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  • #1 16310452
    drogus
    Level 9  
    Hello,

    I have a little unusual problem. I bought the slash Evolution Rage 3S on the allegro, exhibition copy, so also without warranty. At the auction there was information that the saw is 230V. I currently live abroad, but I use my father-in-law's workshop when I return to Poland, so I ordered a saw to him and asked to check. The father-in-law checked the saw, cut some metal and wood and wrote that everything was OK. I was in Poland recently, so I also had the opportunity to use the saw and accidentally left the laser on for 2-3 hours. When I came back the laser didn't work anymore. We checked what was going on and it turned out that the power supply burned and then we noticed "100-120V" on the power supply. Surprised, we looked at the stickers on the device and of course there was also 110V (15A).

    And now my question: can the brush AC motor work on both voltages? We connected the device to the meter and at 230V without load used about 3.5A, with a load (metal flat) over 4A. After connecting to the autotransformer set to 110V without load it used about 3A, and with the load over 4.5A. I don't know about engines, but it always seemed to me that after connecting a motor adapted to work on 110V under 230V the engine would burn.

    The seller swears that the device has a 230V motor, but I think he is lying and has no idea what the motor is like, because how would a 230V motor be on a device marked as 110V and with a laser power supply also under 110V. It seems to me that the seller did not even check the device, because the packaging was marked for 230V, so he probably got the saw so packed and stated that as the packaging says 230V, it is 230V.
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  • #2 16310550
    A.Gieronimo
    Level 35  
    The device should show POWER.
    According to your measurements, it turns out at 230V 805W and at 110V 330W.
    By the eye, 330W is not enough for such a device, so much can have a small jigsaw and not a saw.
    Just the power supply was 110V and the engine is 230V, some Chinese puzzle, just something has been forgotten.
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  • #3 16310754
    drogus
    Level 9  
    A.Gieronimo wrote:
    The device should show POWER.


    The power is given 1500W, but it is probably the maximum power, with some heavy load or with a worn shield can.


    A.Gieronimo wrote:

    By the eye, 330W is not enough for such a device, so much can have a small jigsaw and not a saw.


    I would also say so, but the saw works flawlessly at both voltages, I checked on a 3x20cm oak board and a 40x5 steel flat bar.

    A.Gieronimo wrote:

    Just the power supply was 110V and the engine is 230V, some Chinese puzzle, just something has been forgotten.


    I thought so too at first, but I didn't feel like it. These saws are not of the highest quality, but neither is it a no-name.

    In case this is here this saw http://www.evolutionpowertools.com/uk/build/rage3s.php, model rage3-s
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  • #4 16310827
    A.Gieronimo
    Level 35  
    Let's assume that the producer is lying and has 1200-1300W (1500W looks better on the box).
    Added to this is a measurement error, an ammeter with a multimeter is reliable and an inductive load, measurement without a load.
    So the measurements clearly show that the motor is 230V.

    Someone stuck the plug, is it on? lit !, we did not explode it, but this time it failed. And that's it. I would not blow the pegs on the seller, maybe the distributor repacked badly, who knows it now.
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  • #5 17371943
    zbigar
    Level 2  
    These 110V miter saws have a different plug similar to our "power one", meaning you can't go wrong. Probably in the service they changed the engine, there is a sticker with the voltage on it. In addition to the 110V laser converter, there is also a need to replace the soft start and speed stabilization system, which has a voltage regulator on the triac. It is he who causes current reading errors.
  • #6 17402753
    Łukus
    Level 11  
    Connects to the topic. I also recently bought such a slash. Of course, a bargain, because on 110v. I drove up to the guest, connected to a transformer, everything works. Cuts, the laser shines. When I got home I looked (obviously) at the engine nameplate. And there written 230v 2000w.

    When I called the seller from home, he said that he did not pay attention to the sign and suggested that I stick to what the plug says. And the plug suggests 110v, because it looks like our strength, with only 3 pins, yellow.

    So I started spinning a little bit. And so, the 110v laser power supply (small transformer with the inscription on 110-120v), no markings on the motor, while in the arm I found another box with the inscription 255-230v. The cables come from the switch (I think) and a thin two-wire cable that runs to the bearing from the brushes. A small resistor board is completed. I would add that this cable was unfastened from this small can.

    I would like the engine to work, however, at the correct voltage.
    Evidently somebody was already putting claws there, because there are signs of loosening.
    How should I check the voltage of the motor and individual components?
    Can anyone suggest something?
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