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Choosing Between 25kW and 30-35kW Furnace for 260m2 House with 200L Boiler

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  • #1 16332477
    85pikolo
    Level 7  
    Hello everyone, I have a request for advice in the selection of a stove. The house is new, with an area of 260m2 plus a 200 liter boiler. Wall thickness 36cm, cellular concrete plus 12cm graphite polystyrene. Attic 3-pane wool windows 30 cm plus 15 cm attic and osb board. There are supposed to be 21 heaters and the problem is that the gentlemen who make the installations say to buy a stove with a feeder for 30 or 35 kW, I think it is too much, I thought 25 kW. And what to do? I have 50 ha of forest, unless I buy an ordinary chute furnace and base my work on a tree plus coal? I do not know
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  • #2 16332531
    irus.m
    Heating systems specialist
    Max 15 kW with a feeder (at -20 degrees C outside).
    If an ordinary garbage can, then 25 kW + 750 to 1500l buffer. The bigger the better (buffer, not boiler).
    best regards
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  • #3 16332982
    85pikolo
    Level 7  
    And you can burn a stove with a grate feeder and arrange the wood there, should it reduce the combustion of fine dust? This is what I do because I have a tree for free. And this buffer can be in the boiler room or it must be in the attic?

    Added after 39 [minutes]:

    A friend bought a stove from Osieka Elipsa 25kW for 150 m2, he was advised there that the larger it will be the longer the temperature he keeps burns about 6 tons fine 24 with the hub is probably not enough

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    Sorry, he has a house of 120 m2 which heats, not 150
  • #4 16333163
    Sono2020
    Level 20  
    My friend suggests choosing the power of the boiler to the heated area wisely. Selecting too much power is asking for trouble.
    http://czysteogrzał.pl/kociol/co-za-duzo-to-niezdrowo-dobor-mocy-kotla-weglowego/
    Because the whole thing is not like if you take a large boiler, it will burn longer.
    If you do not know what your heat demand is, do even a simple audit on the website:
    http://cieplowlasciwie.pl/
    Fill in all the details correctly and provide us with the results to be checked.
    Read also about boilers, methods of burning, selection, buffers and installations and everything related to it on the pages:
    http://czysteogrzał.pl/
    You also have an independent ranking of the best constructions on the market:
    http://ranking.czysteogrzał.pl/
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  • #5 16333261
    85pikolo
    Level 7  
    This calculation resulted in 12.7 kW
    Maximum heating power plus 3 kW for water

    65W / m2 power demand indicator. I will read the rest of the links in the evening thanks for the material

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    I did not read at the bottom, it says to buy 17 kW with a delicate reserve
  • #6 16333281
    dirstir
    Level 8  
    If the house is a one-story house of 260 m2 plus internal walls, a 25 kW stove will be sufficient and not too big or too small. According to the conversion factor, it should be 30 kW.
  • #7 16333343
    85pikolo
    Level 7  
    One more question, when I watch stoves, I write 25kW for 230-250m2 to be heated, of course, with a feeder and sellers only ask how many m2 the house has or its dimensions and that's it. They do not ask about the facades, windows or what is the heat demand. Only they are interested in m2 for heating and what to buy now a 17 kW stove and it will be written on it, let's give up to 150 m2 to heat the house and I have 260 m2, so they do not write that such a stove can be suitable for moderately energy-consuming houses

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    The house has a basement

    Added after 10 [minutes]:

    260m2 is floor space because that's what I paid for underlayment

    Added after 58 [seconds]:

    150 m2 is not heated without the basement
  • #8 16333367
    dirstir
    Level 8  
    If you want to heat 150 m2 and not 260 m2, a 15 kW stove will be the best choice
  • #9 16333369
    85pikolo
    Level 7  
    In these 260 m2 there are 50 m2 garages but I will also heat this too, so I am writing the whole thing

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    No, no, these 150m2, it is separate, because the whole house has something like 400 m2 and I will heat 260 m2 with this basement

    Added after 5 [minutes]:

    I already know one thing, the stove for sure with a feeder only had power?
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  • #10 16333397
    dirstir
    Level 8  
    All sellers count for every 100 m2 of 10 kW plus 5 kW of stock, but this is unnecessary in new buildings due to thermal insulation, so in your case a 25 kW stove will be the best solution.
  • #11 16333591
    Zbigniew Rusek
    Level 38  
    But 3kW for hot water is far too little. After all, obtaining a normal stream of hot water by the flow-through method requires (if the water is very cold, e.g. in the middle of winter) at least 18kW of power. After all, a bathroom stove is either 19.2 kW or 23.6 kW. Of course, only a combi boiler will heat the water in flow.
  • #12 16334529
    andrzej lukaszewicz
    Level 41  
    dirstir wrote:
    All sellers count for every 100 m2 of 10 kW plus 5 kW of stock, but this is unnecessary in new buildings due to thermal insulation, so in your case a 25 kW stove will be the best solution.

    Because it is in their interest to sell a larger-more expensive boiler. 100W / m2 were the norms from 30 years ago. People don't take into account building insulation? Does giving the demand to the average daily temperature (!!) -20 degrees C make any sense? When were these tempreatures? 10 years ago for a few days?
    The average temperature of the heating season is + 3-4 degrees C, not -20! And here, 30-45 W / m2 will actually come out, which gives a real 8-max12kW + a small reserve for DHW, thermophilic, weaker fuel, poorly cleaned boiler, etc. So, as a colleague wrote @ irus.m 15kW and can't do any more. The boiler is supposed to burn, not smolder at 45 degrees, and then overheat at a standstill, because there is no heat reception from the blow-bys. Efficiency is going bad.
    Zbigniew Rusek wrote:
    But 3kW for hot water is far too little. After all, obtaining a normal stream of hot water by the flow-through method requires (if the water is very cold, e.g. in the middle of winter) at least 18kW of power. After all, a bathroom stove is either 19.2 kW or 23.6 kW. Of course, only a combi boiler will heat the water in flow.

    And what is the point of comparing to flowing DHW? 2kW is enough for the thermal bath and what?
    When the boiler has 15kW, all power goes to DHW, - for example, work with DHW priority works like this. It will heat up in several minutes and return to heating CO. I can assure you that no one will get cold in a well-insulated house if the radiators do not heat up during this time, no one will even notice it.
  • #13 16334616
    85pikolo
    Level 7  
    I checked with my parents, they have 20kW charging stoves and others 22kW houses about 180m2 for heating, poor insulation and the stoves work between 47-55 degrees because more can not be because it is too hot.

    Added after 27 [minutes]:

    http://www.stalmark.pl/nasze-kotly/duo-pid.html or http://kotly-plonka.pl/oferta/kotly-grzewcze/osiek-iv-elipse/ and what do you think about these stoves?
  • #14 16334762
    andrzej lukaszewicz
    Level 41  
    85pikolo wrote:
    and the furnaces work between 47-55 degrees because it is too hot.

    And that's still not enough for a charging boiler. It should be at least 60 degrees on the boiler, and the return min. 50-55st. To keep it cooler, you can use 3D or 4D mixing valves.
    The hopper ones at 50 degrees Celsius have a poor efficiency, actually less than 50%.
    The feeder should be up to 80%, but at 70-80 degrees C on the boiler.
  • #15 16337283
    85pikolo
    Level 7  
    I already know everything

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around selecting the appropriate heating stove for a new 260m2 house with a 200L boiler. The user is considering whether to opt for a 25kW stove or a 30-35kW model, with various responses suggesting that a 25kW stove is generally sufficient for the house size, especially given its insulation and design. Some participants emphasize the importance of not oversizing the boiler, as it can lead to inefficiencies. Recommendations include using a buffer tank for better heat management and considering the specific heat demand based on insulation and window quality. The conversation also touches on the use of wood and coal as fuel options, and the necessity of ensuring adequate hot water heating capacity.
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