Kia Rio / Hyundai - Replacement of shared bearings front selection of dist. Ring

Hello, I'm trying on a Kia Rio 2003 car to replace the front bearings.

This car creates a lot of problems with these bearings had already been replaced several times each time after a while it hits them ...
I suspect that each mechanic works his own way, not necessarily according to art.

I read that in this model there are annoying shared bearings (two tapered per hub, for which it is necessary to choose the right distance each time (where there are 20 dimensions to choose from)
Because of this, there are probably problems. It's hard to find something on the net from the literature on this subject.
Autodata also only provides the torque for tightening the hub screw, but it does not indicate how to select and measure the pre-clearance of the bearing.

So I decided to do it myself once and properly.
Of course I have access to the workshop and tools, press etc.

I am just asking for advice, tips on how to go about it, mainly I mean how to make a proper measurement of the initial bearing clearance together with the selection of the appropriate ring, which I should then get at a Kia / Hyundai Dealership.

Best regards and thank you for any help, I also like to focus on literature (I repair it myself).

ps. I know that there is no to kia rio - apart from the Russian edition which I have but I don't miss it.

Maybe someone will recommend something matiz, atos and others from older daewoo, kii and hyundai
apparently they have the same with these bearings.


thanks

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kia+rio+wheel+bearing+replacement+

Thanks for the word key link in Eng.

But most of the videos on YT are with the replacement of standard single pressed bearings.
This is a simple job like in cinquecento

And I am mainly talking about the measurement and selection of slack;]

But thank you very much for the response, it fixes something on YT but under the name of other models there may be something.

now I am looking for literature for matiza / kia pride, mazda 121, mazda demio (excluding matiza)
parts supposedly the same

It was already on the forum

Quote:

shorstki

Post subject: Re: (Kia Rio) Kia Rio I front wheel bearing spacer ring

The bearing in each hub is two-piece, tapered. Between them should be a spacer ring (spacer sleeve) responsible for adjusting the clearance. In general, it's very difficult to choose and hardly any workshop can do it - hence so many problems in cars with such a solution (e.g. Matiz, Atos and other older Daewoo, Kii and Hyundai).

With bearings, it's probably best to go to an ASO, but even there you need to first know if they can adjust the clearance with a proper spacer ring - mechanics dealing only with newer Kia may not know what the thing is, and apparently you also need a special device for folding everything except the car and measuring the slack in order to choose the best of several dozen (!) distance rings. They come from just over 6mm to 7mm with a piece every 0.04mm - accuracy as in F1, but unfortunately it is important, which I painfully convinced myself Wink

The result of poorly selected taper roller spacers in the front axle are behaviors such as knocks on small irregularities (e.g. on cobblestones), car vibrations and vibrations, and scrubbing at higher speeds. Sometimes felt also when braking - it's easy to confuse symptoms with crooked discs, or stamped pins or bushes.

Greetings to all who fight with bearings in Kia

https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic1089890.html

Buddy I read it a long time ago not only on the electrode forum.

the problem remains because my question is how to make the correct measurement yourself.

The post above does not exhaust the answer because the ASO itself has problems in this topic.

I also called this place to my city (official KIA service center, I used to have an apprenticeship there, I know how mechanics do it - depends on the man, of course) silence, no response ... hmmmm I have to go to pay PLN 200 for the replacement + parts and I'm not sure or not ... putting on an old ring without any measurements because that's what mechanics do. And in 400km exchange again.
I am waiting for an answer if they even know how to go about it and they have such rings to get for themselves and for purchase.

You do not have to fight it yourself (it was a little bit with these bearings) and try it.

If a man does himself, he knows what and how and how something breaks down.



ps. I found a book from WKŁ about matiza .. of course, nothing about replacing bearings front.

The subject is only checking the clearance in the rear bearings.
ah poverty

There is nothing like good old books 126p / cinquecento / punto .. taam it was all exactly from a to z.

That is why I prefer to swish thin, although technically it is enough for such a tadpole, but when it comes to what for 3 years I put in more than my cc which is very good despite the age and the repair itself does not cause too much trouble.


I am not looking for anything, I keep reading.
Thanks anyway for your time, of course.

Added after 1 [hours] 5 [minutes]:

Hello to posterity there is some information in English in the extensive manual for Mazda 121 1990.

greetings

ENG description of bearing replacement + clearance determination

http://www.justanswer.com/car/1694x-replace-front-wheel-bearings-kia-rio.html


From what I understood in English (please correct me) we put in the steering knuckle + the spacer ring tighten (using a special wrench - instrument) to the appropriate voltage (e.g. 157-235 NM)
Pre-tightening to approximately 49 NM

Then we measure how loosely the bearing is pressed so that it rotates using another device - here I see it will be affected by the length of the arm of this device (see mazda pdf) .



By measuring something DIY, without knowing the length of the arm of the instrument, it will make no sense to measure.


By measuring force in NM on a scale from e.g. 0.25 - 1.17 NM or 2.5 - 11NM - but discrepancies ??

According to the measurement, we add a correction of this force depending on the distance ring number 1-21 used.

Including each subsequent dimension of the spacer ring increases the scale of this force measured by a range of 0.2-4 NM

If the measurement of the rotation force of this bearing is not within the scale given in the manual.
We change the spacer ring and all the fun again until the results are ok.

Please correct me
A similar description is included in the pdf for Mazda.


strange is:

it would be better to know the required dimension for the initial clearance range, e.g. 0.02mm + bearing size + hub sleeve size and calculate it accordingly for the spacer ring