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90W LED Moving Head Control: PWM & Arduino for Beginners, Stage Lighting & Audio Equipment

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  • #1 16390165
    MMK5
    Level 7  
    Hey,

    In a word, I wanted to say, I go to the first class of electronic technical school and for a short time I learn to program the famous Arduino. I am still a beginner, so please take this into account when analyzing my idea and possible answer, so that I can understand what and how ;)

    I am a fanatic of the stage, all kinds of audio equipment and lighting. A few days ago I set myself a goal to make a moving head - so that I could practice the basics of electronics in practice, but also to improve my assessment of digital circuits and eie measurements at school.
    If you are not in the subject what the moving head is, then I am hurrying with the explanation that it is a reflector, whose "base" is rotating and the 2 arms that hold it allow you to move up and down. All together allows the light pole to move in almost all directions. In television programs such as "Jaka tym melodia" or in cabarets, you can often find them placed on the floor in the background, or at concerts as light poles moving.

    Will be controlled from a physical driver, which will also be made by me and will also be made on the basis of arduino (radio control will be up to about 1 kilometer).

    The mere movement of the "head" is not a problem for me, just the transfer of data. The biggest problem for me so far is to design a simple system, up to 90 watt RGB LED, which will change the voltage value depending on the level of PWM signal filling.

    On the internet, I can not find anything that helps me find it. I found only something like this:
    90W LED Moving Head Control: PWM & Arduino for Beginners, Stage Lighting & Audio Equipment
    I wonder if something like this will work. From my (beginner) point of view there is nothing to do, because the PWM signal is nothing but a change in the presence of voltage or its absence, i.e. the diode would simply flash quickly. The more that I do not know how the transistor itself would behave considering its propagation time. From the first lessons of arduino, I learned that by controlling a single diode, a capacitor must be connected, which will be the voltage "averaged"

    I see the scheme of this, so that three signals come out of arduino, which separately control each color of the RGB diode (3 * 30W), then go to the gates of the transistors, which control the voltage on the emitter.

    The auction number on the Allegro with the diode I plan to use (I can not add a link): 6679861262

    I know that these are very basic questions, but:
    1. At what value given on the gate the transistor will fully control the given voltage.
    2. Where it is best to insert a fuse / and other safety devices.

    I am asking for help and the best explanation for that. I know that these are the basics, but at school it is really hard to understand something exclusively from theory.
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    #2 16390219
    Ture11
    Level 39  
    A colleague makes one basic mistake. The PWM control itself is realizable and it works - fast rectangular pulses with variable filling give a change in power (and the person sees a flashing to just 24Hz, so when you give PWM 1kHz - you will not notice the LEDs flashing).

    What does the colleague not consider? The given diode requires constant current supply, not voltage. You need a power supply for it, which will have a task to maintain a constant current of 1A for each color - and you want between him and the LED to plug in the transistor PWM keying.

    Imagine that a DC power supply wants to keep 1A of the output current at any price when the diode is disconnected - it can not do it because it has a limited maximum voltage. If he had the possibility of giving 13.000V output, he would force the electric arc with such a high voltage just to keep 1A on the output - but of course it is not. It will be true that the unloaded power supply will give maximum voltage to the output. Theoretically, when you connect the diode to it (eg transistor), the power supply should limit the voltage so that the current flows 1 A. So much in theory - and in practice, the power supply has its own reaction time and thus, immediately after connecting it will not be able to limit current up to 1 A, reducing the voltage very quickly - it may turn out that the diode will blown with the full voltage of the PSU, because suddenly connected to an unloaded PSU will force it to momentarily reduce the voltage - which it is physically unable to do. Even if you do not damage the diode, you will probably pose consternation to the power supply ...
  • #3 16390318
    MMK5
    Level 7  
    Well, I did not know that.

    And if transistors control the drivers that would power the LEDs?

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    Well, but then I do not have how to change the brightness: /
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    #4 16390776
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
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    #5 16391257
    oskar777

    Level 26  
    And it is not better to give a current source on the channel on the LM317 / LM350 instead of a colleague to drive in building converters to discourage him to the end.
    90W LED Moving Head Control: PWM & Arduino for Beginners, Stage Lighting & Audio Equipment
  • #6 16391596
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
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    #7 16391638
    Justyniunia
    Level 36  
    IRLZ44N from the soil side, 100R per goal, 10k to ground and after the case. However, as someone has rightly noticed before, at the price of this LED it is worth to construct real-life drivers.
    I am more interested to know how a colleague will solve the optics in order to get a nice mixing of these three basic colors. Maybe not on the subject, but on PW.
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    #8 16391769
    Jawi_P
    Level 36  
    As you learn, do it first on smaller LEDs.
    For each led you will then apply the PT4115 driver system at 1.5pln per unit.
    http://www.micro-bridge.com/data/CRpowtech/PT4115E.pdf
    You will control it from Arduino to the DIM input.
    If everything works programmatically, you will add another driver if you need it and you will be much richer in knowledge.
    Then it will turn out if you do not give up the topic due to "mechanics and optics".
  • #9 16392233
    MMK5
    Level 7  
    Wait, wait.
    I will do it for now on one 3 watt RGB diode. How it will work, I will think about a stronger diode.

    But I do not think it's quite the catch. How do I power ordinary LEDs, which are shown in every "beginner" guides, I power them by simply snapping them under 3 volts, or under a higher voltage but through a resistor. In that case, if in the specification of the diode, which I showed you were printed voltage supply of individual colors, I can not simply control the voltage supplied to these diodes with the maximum limit given in the specification and just behind the diode insert a 1 amp fuse?
    90W LED Moving Head Control: PWM & Arduino for Beginners, Stage Lighting & Audio Equipment
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    #10 16394489
    Jacek Rutkowski
    Level 28  
    Buddy MMK5 fuses are unnecessary, in return give resistors, for example, 0.47? and power diodes from 3.3V if they are single. However, the transistors must be logic level eg IRLU024NPBF so that the arduino them properly drive. Ordinary mosfets at 5V do not open well and significantly limit the current. Give 220-470? resistors to the gate and check the PWM operation.
  • #11 16403702
    dasej
    Level 32  
    Hello.

    Such simple LED controls are designed for integrated circuits.
    Mosfet can not be so easy to drive.
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    #12 16405040
    Jacek Rutkowski
    Level 28  
    My friend fasej I do not know what's going on but logic level mosfet controlled with ATMegi 5V PWMem ok 2kHz-500Hz calmly manage without drivers. I personally controlled 500W halogen and there will be no problems with LEDs. Of course, you can use a dedicated driver but it is in "higher versions". At the beginning, PWM is enough with not very beautiful slopes.
  • #13 16418746
    MMK5
    Level 7  
    It took me a little to think about it.
    I came to the conclusion that for the time being I would let go of the power diodes (I think I called them well - if I am not asking for improvement), although I had an idea how to do it "in my own way". I would like to describe it for those who want to read it out: Arduino would give PWM a signal that would control the driver bought on the internet.

    Controlling this diode was to enable me to build a moving head, but when I started to do the rest of electronics, mechanics and optics at the same time, I realized that I just can not do it. Before I got to the final result, I would go through too many trial and error that could go well beyond my budget. For this I would not be able to calibrate it so that the light beam goes through filters, various screens, etc.

    At the moment I will order parts and I will make 2 reflectors from ordinary single LEDs that will be able to rotate in one plane at an angle of 180 degrees. Something like LED bar (for those who are in. The whole will be controlled by 4 DMX channels, of which 3 will be responsible for brightness R, G, B, and 4 for rotation.
    I'm just wondering whether to use ordinary diodes or RGB. I care about brightness. Does it matter?

    For now, I leave the topic. Maybe I will come here to other interesting conclusions ;)
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    #14 16419497
    Justyniunia
    Level 36  
    Maybe for the beginning, build a small WASH head on a few (nastu) LED RGB 3x1W, or 3x3W with "honeycomb" collimators.
    The elegant mixing of colors you have taken from the march, the problem of picking the driver is gone (it's hard for your LED to find something meaningful), the color mixing optics (which probably even the Chinese has not invented yet, and apparently invented everything) I will not mention, now throw it on GOBO and so that it is elegantly lit in every place ... Optics at least 3-lens for nice colors, and where are the gobos?

    90W LED Moving Head Control: PWM & Arduino for Beginners, Stage Lighting & Audio Equipment

    Because if these diodes were like 2, not like 1, then the problem would be sorted out.
    Hello, the Chinese, do the Chinese hear me?
  • #15 16420168
    oskar777

    Level 26  
    They only hear how you would like to do it, the rows of LEDs of a given color are connected by a wire in a row, it is difficult to make such a chop from the second image, it may not be even if you have wire sections of different distances. The only option that I can see is that it would be possible to do this rows of colors per shift would solve the problem a little if one color has more than one row.
  • #16 16420683
    Justyniunia
    Level 36  
    You're probably right, and not one producer thought about it anymore and if it could be done, someone would have done it.
    It remains to wait and hope that someone will succeed ;)
    And besides the topic, does anyone still build any lights at home?

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around building a 90W LED moving head light using Arduino for beginners. The main focus is on controlling LED brightness through PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) while ensuring a constant current supply for the LEDs. Participants emphasize the importance of using appropriate drivers, such as the PT4115, and logic-level MOSFETs like IRLZ44N for effective control. The conversation also touches on the challenges of optics and mechanics in creating a functional moving head, with suggestions to start with simpler LED setups before progressing to more complex designs. The need for proper current management and the use of resistors to prevent damage to components is highlighted.
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