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He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A

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  • He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A
    From the beginning of the development of electricity and electronics, there was a need to build control systems that would allow a smooth influence on the power emitted in the receiver. The first regulators built as linear ones introduced huge losses on the control element and while they worked relatively well in low-power devices (eg the speed controller of the tape drive motor in tape recorders), it was problematic for medium and high power devices. This was due to the operation of the power elements in the linear range, much lower losses were ensured by working as a key (i.e. open or fully closed, omitting the transition state). By properly controlling the ratio of the opening time to the closing time, it was possible to smoothly regulate the receiver power with minimal losses in the regulator itself. This is how the now commonly used PWM was born. Pulse-Width Modulation ) or Pulse Width Modulation. PWM was found mainly in DC circuits to control the rotation (power) of DC motors, heaters or the brightness of light bulbs (traditional and LED). The system itself generating the signal for the actuator can be implemented in many ways, be it in discrete technology (single transistors) or based on TTL/CMOS digital circuits or even operational amplifiers or specialized PWM controller circuits. It is also easy to implement on almost any microprocessor/microcontroller. One of the most frequently used systems as a PWM driver, both by amateurs and professionals, is the "immortal" NE555.

    I got the described regulator module from a friend who bought a few pieces to regulate the speed of the wiper motors in the car. The module is packed in a bag made of antistatic foil;

    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    It gives the impression of a solid construction, the housing made of aluminum profiles with steel plugs also acts as a heat sink (although not entirely, but more on that later).

    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    As if "included" we get a potentiometer for adjustment with a knob, in the picture below I unscrewed the plug to take a look at the interior.

    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    As I mentioned, the housing is supposed to act as a heat sink and is mechanically adapted to this, however, there is no thermocouple between the power elements and the housing wall;

    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    I don't expect long operation at higher currents... The regulator board is 47x40mm and is double-sided.

    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    In fact, the entire regulator consists of a dozen or so elements and its main element is ... NE555! I took a moment and redrawn the circuit board layout;

    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    2SK3599 transistors were used as executive keys, although the selection of gate resistors raises my doubts ...

    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    The MBR20100 duodiode is used as a pin-quenching diode;

    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    The role of the auxiliary voltage stabilizer for the NE555 is played by the LM317 with slightly unusually selected resistors that determine the output voltage;

    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    The "carrier" frequency of PWM is ~20kHz, which should not give any sound effects when working with inductive loads, the duty cycle can be adjusted from about 2.5% to 98%. Below are some photos showing the minimum, average and maximum settings;


    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A



    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A



    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    In fact, if I were to buy this regulator, I'd rather build it myself :D .

    Erratum;

    Gate resistors are not 10k but 300Ω. Sorry for the mistake.

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  • #2
    jvoytech
    Level 19  
    For 2SK3599 in pdf they give Vgs(th) from min. 3V .. max. 5V, so this dividers R1||R3 and R3||R4 on the gates of the mosfets from the supply voltage of 8V will make 4V!!! Maybe someone made a mistake and it was supposed to be 10Ω instead of 10kΩ? 🤔
  • #3
    ArturAVS
    Moderator HP/Truck/Electric
    jvoytech wrote:
    For 2SK3599 in pdf they give Vgs(th) from min. 3V .. max. 5V, so this dividers R1||R3 and R3||R4 on the gates of the mosfets from the supply voltage of 8V will make 4V!!! Maybe someone made a mistake and it was supposed to be 10Ω instead of 10kΩ?


    Probably my mistake unfortunately :-( The gate resistors are marked 301 (300R) and from gate to ground 103 (10k), all elements have the values described on the PCB. Sorry for the confusion.
  • #4
    Mateusz_konstruktor
    Level 33  
    ArturAVS wrote:
    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    ...

    The role of the auxiliary voltage stabilizer for the NE555 is played by the LM317 with slightly unusually selected resistors that determine the output voltage;

    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A

    The LM317 will not give the voltage in the case of a 9V supply voltage, and as it is given in the colleague's diagram.
    There's an error here somewhere.
  • #5
    ArturAVS
    Moderator HP/Truck/Electric
    Mateusz_konstruktor wrote:
    The LM317 will not provide the voltage of 9V

    And where did I say that?
    Mateusz_konstruktor wrote:
    There's an error here somewhere

    Of course, but committed (or maybe not) by the Chinese designer of the regulator. NE555 works properly from ~4.5V, for this LM317 configuration, the output voltage at 9V power supply is 5.7V. Taking into account the voltage drop on the output transistor 555 and Ugs(th) 2SK3699, the whole thing will work.
  • #6
    becalel
    Level 1  
    @ArturAVS
    Thanks for the insert with the lack of proper pressure on the housing / heat sink, I assemble this regulator to my wife's car because the resistance switch of the airflow force refused to use (one of the spirals burned, luck wanted that the most used one). I dealt with the pressure by tightening the TO220 elements through the ALU strip filling the excessive distance and of course with thermal paste. The conclusion is that it is good to be inquisitive and look from the kitchen how they prepare the dish
  • #7
    Przem188
    EDA specialist
    I am looking for a PWM (24V power supply) that controls the plus and the mass of the engine is the mass of the car. I know that due to other MOSFETs it is more troublesome to design. That's why I haven't found one to this day, and when I do, the supply voltage is only up to 12V.
  • #8
    ArturAVS
    Moderator HP/Truck/Electric
    Przem188 wrote:
    I know that due to other MOSFETs it is more troublesome to design.

    Nothing could be more wrong. You just need to reverse the control logic for the P MOSFETs, e.g.;

    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A


    Or use a special driver for N MOSFET. The whole thing is due to the fact that N-channel transistors usually have better parameters than P-channel ones and are cheaper. The drivers are so much better that they allow you to control much higher voltages, such as the IR2104 (which I often use myself);

    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A
  • #9
    Przem188
    EDA specialist
    I am looking for a ready-made module with a working voltage of 24V and a load of about 6A.

    And apart from one "kit"-in AVT I found nothing. Yes, I designed one myself on two 555 - with adjustable base frequency and 0-100% duty cycle, but I don't have time to assemble it (I also made the PCB design).
  • #10
    Staszek_Staszek
    Level 27  
    Przem188 wrote:
    I designed one myself on two 555s

    I wonder why two?
    I will make one adjustable for 1/10 - 1/100 Hz because I have not found a ready-made one.
    I thought I'd use something like this:
    He gave me a PWM z Alliexpres regulator, max 60V i 20A
    What would be better on two chips?
  • #11
    Przem188
    EDA specialist
    On two 555's to be able to adjust the frequency.