Tooway Satellite Internet: Comparing Distributors, Pricing & Service Packages in Poland

The topic was already there, but it was closed a long time ago, so ...
I just moved to a lost village, only advantages except internet access. The house is basically in the middle of the forest, over 10km to the nearest BTS, even the phone does not want to work, let alone data transfer. I have Neostrada, and how ... but the dictionary does not contain enough words offensive to Orange The link was supposed to be 10/1 Mb and that was what it was actually [test on a lap plugged directly into the installers' router]; It fell to half of these values very quickly, and nowadays I have a 300-500kb downlink quite often, an unmeasurable uplink. But since the contract says "capacity up to 10/1", I will not do anything to the bastards, I will not win with the juggernaut.
I think satellite net remains, and the most famous [?] Here is Tooway. The problem is that there are two distributors in Poland who have definitely different prices for the same / comparable service packages - where is the catch? Specifically about Europasat and Kempa Invest - has anyone had any contacts / experiences / problems?
Any other solutions? I need Net for work and contact, e-mail, sometimes a radio. No games or video streaming, big pings don't matter. I deal with LIDAR data processing, but I do not push this through the net - data packages sometimes have several hundred GB

What is this location?

I have a 25 Gb Europasat package in the forest (no GSM network reaches) - it works without major problems, after 2 years you need to adjust the antenna (sometimes the weather is dirty but it's normal with a satellite), I use it from March to October: telephone, e-mail , no movie-type craziness. From 24 to 6 am no limit but I haven't managed to use the whole package yet.

matek451 wrote:

What is this location?

The southern edge of the Masovian Voivodeship on the border of the Świętokrzyskie Voivodeship, near Szydłowiec.

Have you done any GSM operator tests, and what exactly is this town? In this area, operators use LTE800 or 3G on UMTS900, the location will allow you to check the chances of mobile internet, with which operator and in what technology.

There is no chance for a mobile net of satisfactory quality here, it is not the center of the agglomeration but a lonely house in the forest. True, 20m further on the road is poor, but HSPA, but inside most often even GPRS is missing, despite the amplifier with a directional antenna on the roof [it was a pity for the money]. I checked on the "pink" and "orange" cards [BTS 18 and 10 km respectively in a straight line, plus terrain obstacles - there will be no miracles in these conditions].

You know better what you ask for, take this satellite road and pray for the weather? I have no idea about mobile internet, I don't know anything about equipment, antennas, so why give me a location. I haven't helped anyone here. As for the solutions, you have already used an illegal repeater in some Chinese language and you are making an argument about the lack of coverage at home. I assure you that there is no place in this area where BTS T-Mobile is 18 km away, and in addition, this operator, together with Orange, uses the shared NetWorks network. And Play has the best-developed 3G / LTE network in this area.

matek451 wrote:

You know better what you're asking for

But why so many nerves ...

matek451 wrote:

satellite routes

This is dear Orange, which for theoretical 10/1 Mb demands 40 plus 30 for the maintenance of the link. Meanwhile, if you believe the site of Europasat, for 60 you get 15/6 Mb. I do not know about the quality of services, but taking into account my experience, it is difficult to be worse than Orange.

matek451 wrote:

why give me a location

But there you go, 51.25194N 20.67111E in DD [Decimal Degrees - this is what we use in GIS systems]

matek451 wrote:

you used an illegal repeater

The low-power amplifier is supposed to operate within a radius of 10m, which means that the signal practically does not come out of the building. The nearest house is 350m away. Do you really think anything I might be disturbing ...?

matek451 wrote:

on some Chinese food

Do you have something against Chinese technology? Maybe we're just not growing up to it? Or maybe it hurts that China treats us like the Third World and floods us with trash, because we simply cannot afford a really good technique. It would be time to finally verify the stereotypes - they are the ones who deal the cards, and we are little ones.

matek451 wrote:

argument about out of reach at home

I do not share your enthusiasm for mobile networks in communal Poland. It's great in ads and maps, and it's even hard to get through. My friend lives halfway to the mentioned BTS, which is about 5 km, but is separated by a tree wall - no chance. Recently, I was doing GPS geodetic measurement using the RTK method, which requires downloading correction corrections from the reference network, and the navigation messages are so small that even GPRS is enough for this. A forest road, 4 km from a medium-sized industrial town - EDGE is on one side, 3 m next to it there is nothing - the local forester confirmed that it has always been the case. And such stories from life, and not advertising slogans, can be multiplied.

matek451 wrote:

There is no place in this area, I assure you

And I assure you that I know my area - the nearest BTS is at the position 51.25361N 20.76250E [Chlewiska] and it is an Orange relay. Perhaps also T-Mobile, since, as you say, they have common, although UKE does not mention anything about it. There is also a Play mast, but the terrain obscures it. No matter how he looked, 10 km horizontally and over 100 m vertically, plus the walls of the stand - do you need something more ...?


So let's go back to the topic - what else is new about the satellite net, the reliability of distributors, the level of service, etc.?

Minimum PLN 100 and 2 GB per month this Tooway, the fact that it works everywhere, like a satellite ..... but hard to survive ... Skype, YouTube and other "data eaters". I pay $ 50 for Hughes, limits per month similar data, but I keep it only as a reserve, like Telesur (my normal ISP (ADSL) is down) One of the things that also puts off this is terrible pings ... 1-2 sec. sometimes, 500 ms by default (not a word about this in the operators ). And the bandwidth also varies .... Downlink sometimes 4 Mbit / s sometimes 1 .... uplink sometimes 2, sometimes 300kbit / s depending on the weather. Personally, I would buy equipment and prepaid so as not to be associated with them permanently.

Krzysztof Kamienski wrote:

Minimum PLN 100 and 2 GB per month, this Tooway,

Oh, we are probably talking about different services or from different times, currently there are completely different parameters on the websites of both distributors

Well that's a small update
For two weeks I have been dealing with the satellite net, as it turned out with Europasat / Eutelsat, through the local SkyConnect distributor. They are operational, it must be admitted, after 26 hours from the conversation / ordering, the courier with the set was at my place. Self-assembly, according to the instructions, I have always been good at reading.
Technical realities: I was forewarned about large pings of 600-700ms, but my VoIP operator said that it did not matter that much - and it's true, the connections are not worse than via the cable but weak Neostrada, both WhatsApp and Zoiper. Annual agreement for the 15 / 6Mb package, I was also warned that it will not be enough, but it will yield 13/4. Measurement yesterday evening - 14.06 / 5.47 - I did not expect this, compared to Neostrada kosmos. 30 / 8GB data limit, I have no chance to use it. A very competitive price, PLN 88 for a package and equipment rental [Neostrada> 68 for a package and "connection maintenance"] - it seems that they are looking for buyers because the service is very niche.
To sum up - the net from the satellite is nothing to be afraid of, on the "edge of civilization" on the Świętokrzyskie "edge of civilization" it really saves the skin

However, it did move forward considerably. So, as you can see, the US is investing little in these systems.

30 / 8GB - disqualifies net for the family.
For one person who knows what he is doing and counts every bit - maybe.

If you don't like what you like ... this satellite is mainly for work (no you tubes, facebooks and other crap), it is supposed to ensure communication with the world.
And that a person can work in beautiful natural circumstances (accounting )

hermes-80 wrote:

30 / 8GB - disqualifies net for the family

If the family hangs on the net "in nonstop" because they do not know other forms of life - well, I would personally be sad. This is not why you get out of the city, but I think you grow up to this awareness over time. Anyway, 30/8 is the lowest package, you can do much more, but network shooters are out of the question anyway.

mychaj wrote:

And that man can work in beautiful natural circumstances

... and not chasing all the stuff to the company, an hour's drive :P

Because my window is snowing intensively, so the next update of the transfer test - 14.73 / 6.08 ping 680 - so far the weather conditions, which everyone warned about, do not have much impact

It installs kits for Europasat and people praise. Good service and telephone contact.
Ping spory and net is not suitable for playing 600-800!
However, something for something; _)

Next update, and probably the last one, because it makes no sense to drill down.
This morning, the receiver outside the window looks like a big snowman. If the snow does not "break" the transfer, it will be strange ... And in fact, it was - 14.78 / 0.67 / 720ms - that is a drama, a dirty plate and a half-covered emitter seriously impair the uplink. Fortunately, using a brush on a longer stick does the trick - 13.58 / 6.10 / 680ms - just brush it aside, no brushing as in curling, so as not to change the position of the antenna.
As for me it is enough, I have convincing evidence that this form of the net is useful for my needs. At the present stage of technology, the reservations of @ matek451 are unfounded. Howgh!

If someone needs a 38GB limit for a month and the Internet to browse websites for a lot of money, this day can be a miracle. Because it is not suitable for anything else, it is the last resort. You put forward far-reaching conclusions, even though you did not even deign to try to launch mobile internet using specific external antennas on LTE800 from BTS Networks, Chlewiska-Wiatraczna or Play Szkolna 34.

@greentrek there are heating sets for satellite dishes - you put on such a "blanket" with a heater (80W) on the back of the plate and a strap on the back of the converter (it automatically turns on when the temperature drops below 7 degrees Celsius or you can start the heating manually). Prices start from ~ PLN 600 (a well-known auction site), but if this net is to be used for work and the snow will be an obstacle, it is probably the best option to maintain / restore the signal strength without moving the antenna.

The same thing occurred to me as Belialek wrote - except that he just wants to use a heating cable, I also have an antenna in a hard-to-reach place.
Has anyone tried to connect a TV with a decoder to this? Because mine has 2 antenna connections and the free input is marked with tv?

Don't bend the facts to your theses
I need the internet for work, I prefer other entertainment than browsing websites. 38GB, contrary to appearances, is a lot, after two weeks I have used a dozen percent of the monthly limit, and it is enough for everything - remote work on large databases, net radio, VoIP, bank operations, browsing websites, a little sitting on various forums, such as Elektroda - and that's it. There are no movies from the Internet, mordo books, etc. - because no, it was my choice, even when I had 100Mb of cable in the city.
"Pile of money" is a very relative term. The price of a monthly package is the equivalent of two trips / returns to the city to check-out at the company. Thanks to the net, I save 12-15 such courses a month. I guess I'm on my own
I do not know where such a jam on the mobile net comes from. I need a reliable and stable net, with any technology, at an acceptable price with the required parameters. The Orange cable was not like that, although it is the best proven technology in theory. The satellite worked, maybe thanks to a clear view of the southern sky. Would the mobile work - perhaps, probably if the directional antenna was raised on the mast above the treetops, i.e. several meters. A lot of unreasonable fun and costs. What if there is a potential failure? In the case of the plate, I just opened a window, a brush with a 1.5m stick and swept [literally] ...

Added after 13 [minutes]:

mychaj wrote:

Has anyone tried to connect a TV with a decoder to this? Because mine has 2 antenna connections and the free input is marked with tv?

It must depend on a specific satellite and not a modem / decoder. I have been told that the KA-SAT is for data only.

For some time, when the woodcutters explored the forest a bit, I played with the antenna + Nokia 6230, but it was a massacre, larch 10-12 m as the wind blew harder (and in the mountains it can to blow) it broke the connection, and I wanted to have at least a phone , now with satellite no problems for 3 years and you can relax .
They have been promising GSM coverage for 10 years, but there is no mast for sale, they don't want me to do it because I'm in the valley .
When Orange took over Tepsa, they flew with various inventions for 3 years because they signed a contract and could not fulfill it.