2-leaf gate with wicket function - different wing speeds - what drive ??

Hello !!!

I am asking for help in choosing a double-leaf gate drive (sash width 1m and 3m) - the gate with posts 150x150mm is fitted along the entire width of the entrance - below the photo.
The wings are made of rectangular steel profiles (the weight of the wings is 30kg and 80kg, respectively).
The narrower wing is to act as a wicket, so I would like it to open fairly quickly (about 10s) - it is relatively short and light.
The second wing, due to its width and weight, cannot open in such a short time and requires the use of an appropriate actuator (for long wings).
In addition, the third picture shows the dimensions of the wings' seating in relation to the post, which is to facilitate the selection of the actuator. A stop was used for both wings to relieve the cylinders in the closed position.
Drives should be powered with 24VDC due to medium intensity and the possibility of battery power in the future
I would like to fit in a budget of about 2.5 thousand.
I was thinking about using Nice Wingo3524HS, but I doubt if it can handle a wide wing.

Which producer offers a control panel where parameters (speed, force) can be programmed separately for both actuators ???
What kind of actuators should be used to achieve the above requirements (different speed and width of the wings) and cooperated with one central unit ???

I recently had an almost identical case. I used Tousek TS51 and Toon nice drives with two dimensions. Unfortunately, it is at 230 V. At work about 15 per hour (average) - they don't even heat up very much.

As with Nice:

Larger Wingo (i.e. 3524 / 3524HS) can handle the main gate without a problem - larger wing medium long (not even maximum for these actuators) and light. Hinges can be said - maximally standard - so there will be no problem with the selection of actuators.

Long Wingo (i.e. regular 3524) to the main wing, you choose shorter Wingo (2024) for the gate and both can work from one central unit (MC424).

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I was thinking about using Nice Wingo3524HS

For the same 3524 but in the HI-SPEED (HS) version the matter gets complicated - the control panel for them is 824H and requires encoders or electric limit switches in the actuators so as the shorter to the gate you should use the smallest MOBY on 24V - 4024 (hard to get) or the same 3524 but mounting an actuator that is almost a meter long to a meter long gate is a bit over the top.
And assembling the HS set in 2.5 thousand rather you will not fit - 3524 HS is almost 1000, Moby is not much less and the 824H switchboard also around 1000 PLN. so rather the standard speed remains.

You can increase the speed of the wicket by installing the actuator on the minimum mounting dimensions - it is small and light, so nothing will fail.

I did not hit the eyes of the switchboard with a separate speed setting for each actuator (strength - yes).

Still about the assembly itself - behind the large sash you have a little space, so the actuator (at the opening) you must move MAXIMUM to the concrete fence - for wingo 3524, whose housing is 97 mm wide (i.e. half is less than 50 mm) mounting dimension A (parallel to closed sash) - it will come out approx. 190 mm - it could be more but enough, you can slightly increase the B stroke to fully utilize the actuator stroke - e.g. to 220 mm.
As for the wicket (you did not write if it opens towards a concrete wall or panel from a fence) - if it opens towards the mesh - no problem, if to the concrete wall - you are waiting forging a niche for the cylinder.

kotbury wrote:

For the same 3524 but in the HI-SPEED (HS) version the matter gets complicated - the control panel for them is 824H and requires encoders or electric limit switches in the actuators so as the shorter to the gate you should use the smallest MOBY on 24V - 4024 (hard to get) or the same 3524 but mounting an actuator that is almost a meter long to a meter long gate is a bit over the top.
And assembling the HS set in 2.5 thousand rather you will not fit - 3524 HS is almost 1000, Moby is not much less and the 824H switchboard also around 1000 PLN. so rather the standard speed remains.

And here I have a dilemma because the standard set NICE Wingo 1x2024 + 1x3524 + switchboard and accessories can be found for about 2 thousand, while the set NICE 3524HS is already a minimum amount of 3 thousand. - I admit the difference is significant.

And how about the durability of Wingo HS vs. standard Wingo, there is a difference - anyone has any experience in this field ????

Another question is whether it is worth buying the whole set in the online store - how is it in case of reporting warranty defects, installation by an authorized installer is required to include the warranty ???

kotbury wrote:

As for the wicket (you did not write if it opens towards a concrete wall or panel from a fence) - if it opens towards the mesh - no problem, if to the concrete wall - you are waiting forging a niche for the cylinder.

Of course, the gate wing opens towards the panel fence - so as you wrote, there should be no problem with the proper mounting of the actuator - dimensions below:

kotbury wrote:

Still about the assembly itself - behind the large sash you have a little space, so the actuator (at the opening) you must move MAXIMUM to the concrete fence - for wingo 3524, whose housing is 97 mm wide (i.e. half is less than 50 mm) mounting dimension A (parallel to closed sash) - it will come out approx. 190 mm - it could be more but enough, you can slightly increase the B stroke to fully utilize the actuator stroke - e.g. to 220 mm.

Here I have a question - what is the standard length of the bracket mounted on the wing to which the actuator is anchored (dimension W) ???



I am asking because, despite the fact that the manufacturer has included in the documentation a chart with the values of A and B and the corresponding opening angles of the sash, I tried to understand all this fun with these dimensions - I understand that by increasing the dimensions of A and B we facilitate the working conditions of the actuator itself, especially when we work on the max. the width of the wing or its weight.
Therefore, I prepared a file in Excel that was to help me determine the maximum gate opening angle for given parameters - below are screenshots of the sheet and the auxiliary drawing
I put it below - I hope I did not make any calculation error - a request to verify that the determined values are consistent with reality




Generallymany thanks for the answer - I still have to think about whether it makes sense to give 50% more for the HS drive compared to the standard price.

And where do you foresee a place for a ladder to place the drive in the event of a failure?

Zbigniew 400 wrote:

And where do you foresee a place for a ladder to place the drive in the event of a failure?

Such a ladder would look rather unsightly and take up a place that does not have much,
but I think the tunnel under the gate is a better solution, because it will not be "conspicuous".

Hello!!!

Does anyone have other suggestions for drives that meet the criteria from the first post ???