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Cheap Home Welder Options: Inverter MMA 250A vs Onex OX-3013 250A IGBT for Car Trailer & More

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  • #1 16665548
    betonowy_puchacz
    Level 10  
    Hello,
    I am looking for a cheaper welder for home use, it will be used twice a year. I have a car trailer to weld (hinge from the opened side), a metal spade and a few small things. Will such a welder give advice:

    http://allegro.pl/spawarka-inwertorowa-mma-250a-inwerter-lcd-i6915492307.html
    https://www.bol.com/nl/p/onex-ox-3013-lasappa...ncl-laskap-bikhamer-borstel/9200000078938270/

    Immediately I will add that I do not want to spend what money is known for what will be in the garage and collect dust.
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  • #2 16665564
    MACIEK_M
    Level 29  
    It's suspiciously cheap for an inverter. Buy something more "branded", I have DEDRA, I recommend. For occasional welding for beginners I recommend buying an auto-darkening helmet, it helps a lot, you have two hands free.
  • #3 16665594
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    If you buy an inverter then you must store it in a temperature above 0'C so that you will not be surprised.
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  • #4 16665644
    jerry1960
    Level 36  
    I have a Manum Snake 200, it's in a garage where it's -5 degrees in winter and nothing happens. I also welded at + 35 and it's cool.
  • #5 16666018
    MACIEK_M
    Level 29  
    The stream of consciousness wrote:

    Quote:
    If you buy an inverter then you must store it in a temperature above 0'C so that you will not be surprised.


    Can you develop this "golden thought", some justification?
    I have looked through the manual and there is nothing there.
  • #6 16666027
    betonowy_puchacz
    Level 10  
    I see that the topic went towards storing the welding machine. I have a heated garage, so do not worry about the temperature. Returning to the subject will check the device from the first post, someone recommends something better at a similar price.
  • #7 16666972
    Michelson
    Level 26  
    Hello.
    At this price you can buy another welder, but if it's better then nobody will tell you. Low-cost welders, different "companies" are mass, and the inside is usually the same. I think you can buy it for such a low price, you have a two-year warranty. As the warranty breaks down, it is rather utilization. Just pay attention to the power consumption from the mains, because for welding with the 2.5mm electrode, the welding machine already requires a 16-second C-16A slow-blow fuse, and the larger the current you set, the more it gets from the network.
    The most important rules are: protect against moisture, do not grind near a working welding machine and blow out the inside of the welding machine from time to time.
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  • #8 16666980
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    Michelson wrote:
    Pay attention only to the power consumption from the network, because for welding with a 2.5mm electrode, the welding machine already requires a time-delayed C 16A fuse,


    Buddy, do not panic, this welding machine needs B32 and nothing more.
  • #9 16667000
    MACIEK_M
    Level 29  
    I do not know how this welding machine, but I welded with DEDRA, electrode 3, from different sockets, at home, in the garage, B16 protection, never jumped out. :D
  • #10 16667014
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    On each one he writes how much he downloads from the network.
  • #12 16667340
    bearq
    Level 39  
    The brand is far away but you can not buy anything normal for PLN 300. In these money, buy anything, all the same. For some current range or work cycle, do not look because it's a fairy tale, such a range and cycle is not even Kemppi for 2.5k what this target for 290 PLN.
  • #13 16667578
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    If you do not know how to weld, it will be easier to MIG, there are those with self-sheath wire (expensive but to an amateur weld from time to time). By migomatem you can handle even thin sheets, the electrode (MMA) will be hard.
  • #14 16668725
    bodziot
    Level 21  
    tzok wrote:
    If you do not know how to weld, it will be easier to MIG, there are those with self-sheath wire (expensive but to an amateur weld from time to time). By migomatem you can handle even thin sheets, the electrode (MMA) will be hard.

    I support with two left arms for welding, an electrode, although I did not manage to weld anything with a transformer welding machine, and the cheapest flesh with self-shield wire (you need to buy a good one), it looks somehow
  • #15 16669215
    ^ToM^
    Level 42  
    I will add from myself that the quality of the welder can be pre-evaluated by its mass. The heavier it is usually the better. It is worth to pay attention to it in any case.
    Greetings!
  • #16 17325084
    AdriWojcz
    Level 1  
    I have had a one-year-old from Patona, I bought it at a fairly attractive price (and only this made me buy) I am very pleased for the small work that is being done that works really well.
    in truth it's not a professional but it's ok ... PATON VDI 250E DC is a small neat device
  • #17 19610271
    bigmaster
    Level 15  
    Digs up the topic,
    What will you recommend in 2021?
    I am amateur welding, i.e. a pipe from the fence every 4 months, a piece of the frame in an off-road vehicle.
    Rather, the car's sheet metal is not touched, maybe the silencer is punctured :)
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  • #18 19610385
    nikusert
    Level 41  
    Hello.
    I have had this welder for two years and it works great.

    Link
  • #19 19611060
    ^ToM^
    Level 42  
    nikusert wrote:
    Hello.
    I have had this welder for two years and it works great.

    Link


    I also have a different MAA-MIG model from this company.
    Link

    Main purchase motivation: inexpensive, MIG and MAA, universal power supply 230 V and 400 V. :)
  • #20 19991978
    barondary
    Level 20  
    For a flat in a block of flats, I can recommend the Italian STANLEY SIRIO 140 inverter welder. It does not even blast a 10A automatic fuse. Quite expensive, but I bought it on sale. I have copper cables and a protection in my apartment, maximum 16 A. For now, I connected to the 10A line and the 10A circuit breaker has not blown! I welded with 2mm coated electrodes, rutile with 30-70 A current. At 30 A current it was poor, because it was difficult to strike the arc, but at 70 A it was OK. When I try to do with higher current, I will let you know.
    I would like to add that I am an amateur and I am just learning to weld. I was forced by the necessity, because sometimes you have to connect something permanently, and asking someone else costs money and will not always do the way I want.

    Cheap Home Welder Options: Inverter MMA 250A vs Onex OX-3013 250A IGBT for Car Trailer & More
  • #21 19991995
    m.tosiek
    Level 22  
    A few months ago I hunted such a razor in a local LIDL store: https://www.lidl.pl/p/parkside-spawarka-inwertorowa-120-a/p100325693
    I made a few joints with it, it even works well, I can weld it better than with a large transformer one. She lights the bow better, I got it for PLN 199, for the price, I'm very happy. Tested with a max 2.5 mm electrode at 90 A setting, I do not know if it could handle a larger one, but it will probably pull 3 mm.
  • #22 19992022
    barondary
    Level 20  
    m.tosiek wrote:
    I did a few connections with it, I even manage

    Enter what fuses you have, under which you connected the welder to the network and whether it blows these fuses.
  • #23 19992268
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    Standard mains sockets are designed for a maximum of 16 A, so devices designed to be powered from the 1F network should not consume more current. 16 A is 3.7 kW, the arc voltage is about 20-25 V, which with a current of 150 A gives 3-3.7 kW and it is a max. for a 1F mains powered welder (welders that have more is a "marketing gimmick"). A correctly constructed inverter welder should not, with such parameters, cause the over-current protection to trip (temporary overload is not a problem). At a current of up to 80 A, a 10 A fuse should suffice.
  • #24 19992419
    m.tosiek
    Level 22  
    I have a 16A fuse in the garage, but I also welded it in other places where the type of protection was not known to me, there was no problem with securing the electrical network in any case (the fuses were not broken)

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around affordable home welding options, specifically comparing the Inverter MMA 250A and the Onex OX-3013 250A IGBT models. Users express concerns about the quality and reliability of low-cost welders, suggesting that many inexpensive models share similar internal components despite different branding. Recommendations include considering brands like DEDRA and PATON for better reliability. Users emphasize the importance of proper storage conditions for inverter welders and the need for adequate electrical supply, noting that a 16A fuse is typically sufficient for these devices. Some participants suggest MIG welders for beginners due to their ease of use. Overall, the consensus is to prioritize quality over price while being mindful of the specific welding tasks at hand.
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