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Wiring 16 SMD 50 GU10 3W LED Bulbs with Dusk Sensor and Stair Switches in Roof Soffit

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  • #1 16679404
    1sajmon77
    Level 10  
    I want to connect 16 smd 50 GU10 3 W LED bulbs as I drew the diagram attached below. The bulbs are to be permanently connected to the dusk sensor, but I want to be able to turn them on using the switch at home and on the porch with a stair switch. Stair switches would be double to one light all the bulbs and the other and here I do not know how to connect everything so that only two bulbs on the porch that I marked filling the bulb field turned red. I would be very grateful for a hint what and how to connect and what I miss here so that it would not be that I turn on these two bulbs on the porch switch and suddenly also give current from the dusk sensor. I think I mixed it up a bit but maybe someone will understand. Nothing is done and bought, so someone can draw a better diagram.
    Wiring 16 SMD 50 GU10 3W LED Bulbs with Dusk Sensor and Stair Switches in Roof Soffit Wiring 16 SMD 50 GU10 3W LED Bulbs with Dusk Sensor and Stair Switches in Roof Soffit
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  • #2 16679485
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    1sajmon77 wrote:
    can someone draw a better diagram.


    I think you mean something like that

    Wiring 16 SMD 50 GU10 3W LED Bulbs with Dusk Sensor and Stair Switches in Roof Soffit

    And this is how I look at this drawing and I don't know what the author meant.

    Wiring 16 SMD 50 GU10 3W LED Bulbs with Dusk Sensor and Stair Switches in Roof Soffit
  • #3 16680030
    1sajmon77
    Level 10  
    what you marked at the beginning was to be an ordinary double switch but I thought that before entering it would also be good to have such and a better use are two double stair switches
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  • #4 16680218
    kortyleski
    Level 43  
    And since when is the green / yellow wire released?
  • #5 16680467
    1sajmon77
    Level 10  
    And why not if you can mount a 3x1.5 cable in the soffit with a green-yellow wire that you don't use GU10 bulbs for grounding?
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  • #6 16680504
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    1sajmon77 wrote:
    And why not if you can mount a 3x1.5 cable in the soffit with a green-yellow wire that you don't use GU10 bulbs for grounding?


    First of all, the provision prohibits the use of a yellow-green wire for purposes other than as a protective conductor, it is necessary to bring a protective conductor to each installation point.
    Secondly, you need to connect a protective conductor to the holders The problem is that most people use holders designed for 12V voltage where there is no protective clamp.
    If you want two circuits then 4x1.5
  • #7 17989235
    JasomiT
    Level 15  
    Hello. I will not help you.
    But one thing intrigued me, is the recipe which forbids to run the phase with the green / yellow wire ???
    If there is such a recipe, please support it with some content.
    Recently, an epg man was making my VLL connection with me and gave all four wires yellow / green, why? He answered the question that they had in store.
    I'm curious
  • #8 17989264
    kortyleski
    Level 43  
    JasomiT wrote:
    Recently, an epg man was making my VLL connection with me and gave all four wires yellow / green, why?

    Who picked it up and who signed it?
    Go to customer service and ask about it. Say that in your opinion this is against the rules
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  • #9 17989605
    JasomiT
    Level 15  
    So you don't know if such a recipe exists and what the recipe means. Is this regulated by law or any internal company order?
    I found the PN-EN 60446: 2010 standard, but is there a regulation ordering installation in accordance with it, and legal consequences associated with not complying with its provisions?
  • #10 17989905
    kortyleski
    Level 43  
    I know the rules. The Penal Code. If an installation that is not in accordance with the standards makes someone crunch, then the prosecutor will pull this code out of his pocket and wave in front of his nose to the person who took the installation done in this way.
  • #11 17990211
    el-dziwak
    Level 11  
    kortyleski wrote:
    I know the rules. The Penal Code. If an installation that is not in accordance with the standards makes someone crunch, then the prosecutor will pull this code out of his pocket and wave in front of his nose to the person who took the installation done in this way.


    Standards are not compulsory in Poland, but they remove some responsibility from the contractor. Technically speaking, the current flows through a copper vein and the color of the insulation has nothing to do with it. The use of a yellow-green vein as an active vein is a common practice. Wanting to comply with the standard, electricians using a tape or a T-shirt mean that it is not a PE conductor. This is, of course, a half-measure, but it's very hard to get a 3-wire cable without a vein, theoretically, such wires are the same as hard as a virgin in college.

    Added after 17 [minutes]:

    You can turn on a switch in parallel with the contacts of the twilight automaton but it will be an inconvenient solution - the twilight automaton, after manual activation will not have a chance for automatic shutdown.
    Instead of double stair switches, I would suggest using a selective pulse relay. You can try to combine it with the twilight automaton so that both possibilities of activation work in parallel and independently.
  • #12 17990866
    kortyleski
    Level 43  
    el-dziwak wrote:
    it is very difficult to get a 3-wire cable without a Ż-vein

    And why would there be such a cable if nowadays PE should be connected to each point?

    Added after 49 [minutes]:

    And when it comes to colors, imagine the situation when the paprak leads to a two-wire chandelier with three wires. Then the hero will hit his house and will want to mount a single-circuit chandelier in the first class of protection. He will do it in his correct opinion correctly, i.e. yellow green on PE, blue on N and black on L. And what? The phase on the chandelier housing ... And the hero did the right thing.
    It's like every car maker arranges the pedals according to his view.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around connecting 16 SMD 50 GU10 3W LED bulbs to a dusk sensor and stair switches in a roof soffit. The user seeks guidance on wiring the bulbs to ensure they can be controlled by both a home switch and a porch stair switch without interference from the dusk sensor. Various responses address the wiring diagram, the use of protective conductors, and the implications of using a yellow-green wire incorrectly. Suggestions include using a selective pulse relay for better control and ensuring compliance with electrical standards to avoid legal issues. The conversation highlights the importance of proper wiring practices and the challenges of integrating multiple control points for lighting systems.
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