satellite ca-4 and SL-550 siren. Continuously howls after power is applied.

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Hello! I am trying to connect the following set at home: Satel CA-4 alarm control panel, SATEL CA-4VKLED keypad, Paradox Security Systems PRO + PIR d...

suworow · Answer

Does he arm himself or just howls? As for the latter, I suggest you follow the advice of my colleague @s_h_a_r_p on this topic: https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/viewtopic.php?p=16198913#16198913 Does a colleague already understand? ps1. as part of the rematch, can a colleague tell me how to build an alarm system based on one sensor? ps 2. is 230 for the control panel AC terminals in the attached diagram, as I understand it, such a "mental abbreviation" ps3. who sells these "kits"? ps4. Due to the available free lines, it may be worth dividing the tamper line into two circuits. By the way, a colleague will have the opportunity to parameterize them.

ggmarszal · Answer

He just yells, but I think I understand. It should be ok now right?

The set was bought on the Allegro. As for 230VAC - a mental shortcut (slightly incorrectly described). There will be more sensors. At the moment, I want to connect it on the table before I start the final assembly, so only one sensor for now.

suworow · Answer

Let's check on the table Does your friend know what was going on? best regards

ggmarszal · Answer

I will check everything over the weekend and I will be smarter, but so far I know that the TR + and TR- trigger inputs are independent of each other and it is enough to control one of them.
And here is my conclusion (to be checked with a meter): there is a constant plus at the OUT output, and a minus appears in the event of detector activation. So, at the original connection, the siren was triggered with a constant plus from the OUT output.
I just don't know why + 12V is pulled to the siren from OUT + and not from AUX and if it makes any difference.

marek216 · Answer

Colleague @suworow he asked you to reveal his secrets, and I will ask you because you did not answer. Why, instead of connecting a detector in the 2EOL / NC system, and the keypad and siren as NC on separate lines (because of trouble these two tampers together, if there is to be more PIR), you let the detector, keypad and siren be tampered with in one line. Can you guess where the sabotage will come from when it hits it somewhere?

User removed account · Answer

Then who made this wiring diagram you? Is a shop assistant. After all, CA4 only has EOLs.

marek216 · Answer

My mistake - this old man is actually a little lame.

ggmarszal · Answer

What secrets? What did I not answer? At the moment, I want to connect the detector, control panel, keypad and siren so that I know how it all works. The alarm itself will be located in the basement. Ultimately, 3 detectors. Actually, I don't need to know where the sabotage came from, because the whole system is not complicated and I can check it myself. I just want the siren to sound in the event of a break-in, although I will probably try to make the whole thing optimally. I drew the diagram myself. It's the first time I connect the alarm.

User removed account · Answer

Two things: first - you keep the logic of the connections, i.e. you wire the siren, use the outputs adapted to control the siren, the second, more important: the current efficiency of OUT is 1 amp, AUX is only 400mA.

suworow · Answer

Gentlemen, I suggested a bit, I directed the author, and allowed myself to ask a few questions, which he also deigned to answer

With this sabotage, @ marek216 is right. Unfortunately, it is often the case; "comes and goes and disappears ......" and sing along to the rest

. But the "headquarters" has such and no other possibilities and we will not skip this in this case. A bit tempting ... but the seller on the stock portal will not tell us.

ggmarszal wrote:
. The alarm itself will be located in the basement. Ultimately, 3 detectors.

A large basement or such saturation? It is a pity that there was no place for a reed switch.
A colleague allows the thought of connecting a second signaling device (only acoustics) inside. In my opinion (and not only mine

) worth it ....

ggmarszal wrote:

I drew the diagram myself. It's the first time I connect the alarm.

And for the first time, it's pretty good. For example, my colleague was able to find out how the high-current out in satellite switchboards works with what, which is not always so obvious for the more experienced.

ps. a colleague will read ps4 again and make a correction to the diagram

ggmarszal · Answer

The basement is quite big and some rooms have windows.
I will divide the tamper line into two circuits when it even starts working for me. At the moment, I connected according to the last diagram. After power-up, the keypad signals a failure. I checked the type of failure and according to the operating instructions it is: damage to the F3 fuse or the signaling device circuit connected to the OUT2 output. The trouble is that I have nothing connected to this output, and the fuse is functional. Anyone know why this failure could have occurred?

User removed account · Answer

It is necessary to load the output, a 2.2 kohm resistor between + and - to the out.

marek216 · Answer

The manual knows. Read it carefully - you may have more such flowers.

suworow · Answer

And I wrote about the second signaling device Well, probably my friend will not share it best regards

User removed account · Answer

This CA4 folks has a line parameter in eol and it is 2.2 kohms and four inputs = z1 = 2.2; z2 = 2.2 = etc.
Means, each input is controlled by the control panel and the value of 2.2 is to be, if empty, the third of the resistor / resistor is to be injected! the same is with "exits"

suworow · Answer

You mean there are four of them? But it's not easy to be a bhtom I have been trying for a long time to make the author realize that one signal in this type of system is not enough, but you can write there ... And now, when he knows that you can clog this output with a resistor, it's a sure loss best regards