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Searching for 230V 25A Type E Socket, IP44 Rated – Model & Manufacturer Recommendations

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  • #1 16698020
    AKrenc
    Level 8  
    Hello.
    I have been looking for a 230V 25A type E socket without success. I am not interested in the inventions of the PCE type and the like, but an ordinary socket (preferably IP44) with a minimum load of 25A.
    Please tell me what to look for, because I looked through several catalogs and online stores and I did not find even one model or manufacturer.
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  • #2 16698213
    osiniak75
    Level 35  
    Single-phase sockets do not have a load capacity greater than 16A, already at these currents there is a problem with the appropriate socket-plug contact, let alone 25A
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  • #3 16698250
    rb401
    Level 39  
    osiniak75 wrote:
    already at these currents there is a problem with the appropriate socket-plug contact, let alone 25A


    It is not about the troubles themselves, but the limits set in standards, such as PN-IEC 60884-1.
  • #4 16698531
    AKrenc
    Level 8  
    Many devices (for example, welding machines) have a pre-wired cable with an E type plug, and the suggested protection of the circuit to which they are to be connected is 20-25A. So there must be sockets where you can connect such equipment and I am looking for such a socket.
  • #5 16698549
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    AKrenc wrote:
    Many devices (for example, welding machines) have a factory-terminated cable with an E-type plug, and the suggested protection of the circuit to which they are to be connected is 20-25A

    Because this is the destination area and usually the Shukko plug.

    In our area, currents above 16A support other connectors, much more reliable, and they are full of them after construction sites.
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  • #6 16698562
    bearq
    Level 39  
    AKrenc wrote:
    Many devices (for example, welding machines) have a pre-wired cable with an E type plug, and the suggested protection of the circuit to which they are to be connected is 20-25A. So there must be sockets where you can connect such equipment and I am looking for such a socket.

    The 1f welder is supposed to be a moblin, so you should be able to weld it everywhere, not only where there is an E plug with a load capacity of 25A.
    What you are writing about is the protection suggested by the manufacturer, and it consists of many factors, for example the instantaneous power of such a welder during arc ignition, which can easily exceed 16A.
    At the very end, I will add that the welding machines of reputable companies recommend 16A protections, only the Chinese significantly overstate the parameters by suggesting a 25A protection and an output current of 250-300A at 1 phase ...
  • #7 16698609
    Strumien swiadomosci swia
    Level 43  
    bearq wrote:
    output current 250


    I repaired such MMA 250 A on phase 1, it consumed about 32A. Full prof.
  • #8 16699391
    AKrenc
    Level 8  
    You probably are quite right and I am not going to deny it, but ...
    The fact that the manufacturer specifies minimum installation requirements is probably nothing special. The same is true for household appliances, country appliances and many others. If someone is a conscious consumer, in the times of the Internet, he can check the technical specification of the device before buying it and decide whether it fits its installation or not. I am asking you - let's not go this way. That's not what my question is about.

    Since there is already equipment on the market that requires an E or F type socket (because this type of Schuko plugs was probably meant by a colleague A stream of holy awareness - I have not found those with a load capacity of 25A), are there any sockets that can be connected to the specification?
  • #9 16699706
    kj1
    Electrician specialist
    There are 1f (so-called blue) sockets with a load capacity of 32A. And of course the matching plugs. For example:
    Link
  • #10 16699924
    rb401
    Level 39  
    AKrenc wrote:
    Since there is already equipment on the market that requires an E or F type socket (because this type of Schuko plugs was probably meant by my colleague Strumien's awareness - such with a 25A load capacity



    Notice such a nuance in your statements. You write "requires nests 25A "and earlier you quote the hardware manufacturer that he requires security 25A.
    This difference may be the heart of the matter.

    Standards for E and F type sockets impose this limit of 16A and the resulting product marking, but they probably refer to continuous current. I suspect that the criteria for the maximum current in these standards and the measurement methodology they refer to are much more broadly defined and there will also be current limit values for periodic overloads, surges, etc. And these will be values greater than 16A.

    So that in my opinion it may result from this that the situation (not violating the standards) becomes quite real, that through a normal 16A socket, without overloading it beyond the requirements that it must meet in the standards, you can trigger the 16A protection.
    The more so with specific receivers, such as a welder.

    And maybe this is why this equipment manufacturer's requirement for protection, not a socket, which must meet its standards and must have the 16A feature anyway. Because the manufacturer of the socket, despite its ambitions and possibilities, cannot write more, because it will violate the limits of the standards.

    Unfortunately, I do not have access to these standards for E and F sockets, which is a pity because you asked an interesting topic. Maybe some friend here will have these standards handy somewhere.
    Then you would know if your search makes sense.

    It would also be interesting to see the gauge of the plug with such equipment. I suspect it is 16A.
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  • #11 16699995
    AKrenc
    Level 8  
    kj1 wrote:
    There are 1f (so-called blue) sockets with a load capacity of 32A. And of course the matching plugs. For example:
    Link
    The only question is, are these sockets suitable for standard E (or F) plugs, or are they dedicated solutions (with a socket you need to buy a plug that fits it)? Unfortunately, on the manufacturer's website I did not find such information or pictures of what the socket "under the flap" looks like. However, when browsing other products, I am afraid that this is the first option.
    The point is that if you have a factory-installed device with an E-type plug, you can connect it without replacing the plug (which probably may void your warranty).
    If your friend knows what this nest looks like, please share this information. Otherwise I will tire the manufacturer or the store.

    rb401 wrote:
    Notice such a nuance in your statements. You write "requires a 25A socket" and earlier you quote the equipment manufacturer that it requires 25A protection.
    This difference may be the heart of the matter.
    It makes no difference to me. After all, I will not protect the 16A socket with the B25 fuse. C16 may be considered (if the circuit measurements are OK), but not higher.

    I do not currently have any such device, but you can definitely look for it in a supermarket or store and have a look at the plug there. When browsing the operating manuals of some welding machines, you can find tables, which clearly show that they require higher protection to work with the full range of welding currents.
  • #13 16700673
    AKrenc
    Level 8  
    I know about industrial connectors, but the replacement of the plug probably involves the loss of warranty. You could make an adapter, but the adapter at one end must have a 230V socket to which you need to connect the device, so that doesn't solve the problem.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the search for a 230V 25A Type E socket, specifically an IP44 rated model. The author expresses frustration in finding such a socket, as most available options are limited to 16A due to standards like PN-IEC 60884-1. Responses highlight that while single-phase sockets typically do not exceed 16A, there are industrial connectors capable of handling higher loads, such as 32A. The conversation also touches on the compatibility of these sockets with E-type plugs and the implications of using adapters, which may void warranties. Recommendations include exploring industrial connectors for applications like welding machines, which often require higher amperage.
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