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Installation Problem: Windows 7 64-bit in UEFI Mode, Legacy/CSM Mode, GPT Partition Support

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  • #1 16699018
    golec2604
    Level 16  
    I have a problem installing windows 7 64 bit in uefi mode.
    I explain: If in the uefi I set the "legacy / csm" mode, i.e. simulation of the BIOS, then I can install Win7 64bit on the given laptop on the MBR partition. If only the UEFI mode is set on the same laptop, then the Win7 64Bit installation will crash.

    I read on the net that Windows 7 64 bit supports Uefi, so I think it should be possible to install Win7 64bit in uefi mode.

    I am interested in whether it is possible to install Win7 64bit in normal uefi mode, and preferably on a GPT partition?
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  • #2 16707809
    kali999
    Level 11  
    Hello,

    Sure, you can install Windows 7 64bit under UEFI, if you have an installation under UEFI, it is important in which place the installation crashes, whether during loading or in WindowsPE during setup. I can help but I need more information.
  • #3 16708605
    golec2604
    Level 16  
    I have a computer set as UEFI, disk as GPT. The installation CD has the boot uefi folder. Installation stops after "Windows Loading Files" on "Starting Windows" which is on a black background. I left my computer for the whole night and nothing moved. I have such a situation on every equipment I had and I had a lot of tests to test. When you switch to legacy, everything flutters.
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    In addition, I will ask which of the earliest windows is supported uefi (something I used to say once that support for uefi is only from Vista 64 bit but I do not know if it's true) ??

    And now when writing this post, I was asked a question about new windows 8 and 10 in 32 bit version, do they support uefi ??
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  • #4 16709729
    kali999
    Level 11  
    What kind of disk you have, because it indicates the SSD disk on the m.2 interface in the NVME version, this is important because maybe there is a lack of drivers in the windows because it hangs, it is best to describe the full specification.
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  • #5 16711082
    golec2604
    Level 16  
    Lenovo V310 SSD Sata 3 Exactly this one: https://www.x-kom.pl/p/357057-notebook-laptop-156-lenovo-v310-15-i5-7200u-12gb-256-dvd-rw- win10x-fhd.html # specification

    I have a lot of Win7 dvd installations downloaded from various sites, eg heidoc, the Polish site "database of windows" and many more I do not even remember which sites and new versions with updates. Today, I downloaded it: http://basewin.pl/7mod.html https://winclub.pl/topic/11635-windows-7-sp1-...4-czerwiec-2017-winclub-pl/page-8#entry153392 there sa two versions from June 2017 one ordinary second on the installer windows 10.

    This version of the Win10 installer passed without hanging and I came to choose the system installation disk (I did not install because this laptop is already prepared for a Windows 10 person but I will have the same one and Win7 must be there) and would rather install. This is the modifier version works miracle, it's the same version from June 2017 with Win7 installer does not work and it hangs.

    Does anyone know what to do to let the normal version of Win7 be installed or maybe someone has such a good copy that he would put in a download.

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    I would ask for answers to additional questions from an earlier post.
    And I would like to confirm from you whether the original version of Win7 from Microsoft supports UEFI / GPT or only modified versions ??
  • #6 16711458
    kali999
    Level 11  
    Thanks for the response, the installer 7 probably does not work due to the lack of a driver from the disk controller (in the installer from 10 the driver exists so the system puts), there are 3 options that can help:

    1) WindowsPE edition (this is the environment in which the installer works) by adding controls to the controller (IntelRapidStorageTechnology in short IRST), the process of adding drivers can be found at: https://technet.microsoft.com/pl-pl/library/dn613857.aspx

    2) Using the Windows 7 installation through the Windows 10 installer (substitution of the install.esd / wim Windows 10 file on the one from the Windows 7 tile) should work

    3) To boot from the Windows 10 media and manually unpacking Windows 7 to disk. All information can be found at: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/apply-images-using-dism
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  • #7 16711502
    Dra98
    Moderator of Computers service
    golec2604 wrote:
    If only the UEFI mode is set on the same laptop, then the Win7 64Bit installation will crash.

    After selecting only UEFI, how are UEFI / Legacy Boot Priority and UEFI First options set?
  • #8 16713219
    golec2604
    Level 16  
    Dra98 only the Uefi is set, nothing else, no legacy. The secure boot function is disabled, the fast boot function is not in this bios.
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    kali999 like the lack of drivers for the disk controller, since installation under the Legacy setting goes without a problem, after all it's the same controller so the drivers are.

    ad to 1.) Do you know a website with instructions in Polish ??
    ad to 2.) This is the version of Win7 that I downloaded from the net. I've described it before.
    ad to 3.) Do you know a website with instructions in Polish ?? Either you describe yourself yourself and you know how to do it.

    ================================================== ================================================== ==
    22.09.2017:
    Today I wanted to install Win7 on the Lenovo Ideapad 700. I threw the Windows 7 tile on the Windows 10 installer, the system installed, asked for a reboot and that's all, then it does not start. Here's the message.
    Installation Problem: Windows 7 64-bit in UEFI Mode, Legacy/CSM Mode, GPT Partition Support
    I would add that the same message appears if you want to install Win7 (from the normal version or installer win7) with pendriva (lenovo ideapad 700 and Lenovo V310) if the CD wants to install then the computers hang on "Starting Windows"

    I called on the Lenovo hotline first they told me to switch to Legacy mode after a long conversation they said they would call me back on the technician's case. He called back very quickly. He tells me that he will not install Windows 7 on UEFI because windows 7 does not support uefi, (something more there is still technical, Win 7 is missing some files under UEFI but not what I talked about quickly, you could see that the guy is oriented in computer problems) He also told me unofficial that it is possible to install Win7 on uefi but you have to specialize it and it is not compatible with the microsoft license and they do not provide such information as to do it to me. I tell him that I installed from a modified version of Win7 with Win10 installer and after reboot the system does not get up, he said that this system is not well modified.

    I called the technical helpline to the microsoft that they told me that Win7 64bit (which is the one I want to install) supports the uefi, but if the manufacturer has done the hardware and software uefi that it is impossible to Win7 install it already the producer's wine.

    I called back to lenovo, I said what was going on, he found the case, and somewhere there he was looking for information, and Lenowo claims in that Win7 does not officially support UEFI and they can not provide information on how to modify Win7 to work.

    Well, get along with them, one claims that win7 does not support uefi, that is microsoft or software manufacturer claims to support. Be smart here !!!
  • #9 16986043
    andrzejz78
    Level 19  
    kali999 wrote:
    2) Using the Windows 7 installation through the Windows 10 installer (substitution of the install.esd / wim Windows 10 file on the one from the Windows 7 tile) should work
    Well thanks to this method the installation has started but in turn there is a message that there is no license information and you can not proceed
    I copied the "license" folder but it did not do anything
  • #10 18739731
    DJTrueBeliever
    Level 17  
    golec2604 wrote:
    I called back to Lenovo, I told him what was going on, he was looking for the matter and was looking for information somewhere and Lenowo claims that Win7 does not officially support UEFI and they can't provide information on how to modify Win7 to work.

    Well, get along with them one claims that win7 does not support uefi another or microsoft that is the software producer claims that it supports. Be smart here !!!


    I will dig out to finally give correct answers to this issue. The ignorance of service technicians combined with poor performance of hardware drivers by manufacturers is the reason for such situations as both mentioned above.

    Crashing booting WinPE from the Windows installation disk on the screen Starting Windows This is the result of WinPE using IRQ to enumerate I / O devices. As interrupts simply do not exist in the UEFI ecosystem, there is no right to fail, so the system is left without communication with graphics. The graphics driver used by the WinPE kernel has instructions to wait for the card to respond - which will never come after IRQ.
    And here we come to the next thing: the laptop manufacturer was right that Windows installations older than "eight" are slightly underdone , because the actual system itself (starting from Win7 up), when it is started by UEFI, enumerates the I / O by calling the firmware function from the "commonly known" call pool reserved for firmware (this is how the kernel communicates with the hardware in UEFI systems, there are no more interrupts here, just ordinary calle, and the UEFI function set is like a linkable PE library for the kernel). Unfortunately - there is an exception and the exception is infamous kernel graphics support.
    Let's go into this for a moment how UEFI works in UEFI-only mode without CSM, and how in UEFI + Legacy mixed mode or even UEFI-only with additionally enabled CSM : as expected, in UEFI-only mode without CSM, all "older" I / O device access technologies are disabled, they do not physically exist for the system. In mixed mode, there are both, but beware - when booting in "legacy" mode, only interrupts will be available for the system, because EFI will not allocate the firmware command table in the memory address pool. However, when booting from UEFI, the firmware will provide the system with both commands and interrupts - and the same will happen when only CSM is enabled!
    And now here's the solution: since WinPE flies interrupts and hangs without them, then you need to start the installer in UEFI mode with CSM enabled but so that it would "fire up" as UEFI.

    Problem with Windows Boot Manager not being able to find BCD (when installing the "seven" from the disc from W10), however, results from a slightly different thing - this situation installs because on the system disk, in the ESP partition (i.e. the bootable, normally invisible small FAT32 partition holding only the bootloader and any code decoding the BitLocker encrypted disk) creates is completely mixed up with the confusion - install the bootloader from the installer from "seven" + BCD made by the program called bcdedit.exe from ... Windows 10 (more precisely: from ramdisk unpacked by decimal WinPE). Of course, the BCD backward compatibility with WBM is one-sided (the newer WBM will read the older BCD, not the other way around, and here we have the opposite) - hence the expected message about the inability to read BCD.

    It is possible to disable CSM so that the system continues to work properly - after installation you should:
    [*: 5a55c0c2b6] install proprietary drivers for the graphics card,
    [*: 5a55c0c2b6] disable the embedded system drivers vga and VgaSave .
    [*: 5a55c0c2b6] to replace Windows Boot Manager with the one from Windows 10 (files with the extension .efi in catalogs EFI \ Boot and EFI \ Microsoft \ Boot on the ESP partition
    [*: 5a55c0c2b6] verify that everything works
    [*: 5a55c0c2b6] disable CSM [/ list: u: 5a55c0c2b6]

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the challenges of installing Windows 7 64-bit in UEFI mode on a laptop configured with a GPT partition. Users report that installation fails when UEFI is enabled, while it succeeds in Legacy/CSM mode. The installation hangs at the "Starting Windows" screen, indicating potential driver issues, particularly with the disk controller. Suggestions include using a Windows 10 installer to facilitate the installation of Windows 7, adding necessary drivers for the disk controller, and ensuring proper UEFI settings. The conversation also touches on UEFI support in earlier Windows versions and the importance of having compatible drivers for successful installation.
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