Salus Controls 091FLRF - reset of communication code - wireless

I suspect that in the block someone has the same controller, which makes the boiler behave strangely often turns on and off without reaching the set temperature on the controller. So I decided to reset the communication code - on this video:
https://youtu.be/v3tOP6F7tSc
this is how to perform. However, I do not know where the receiver is? Is it possible that the receiver is built into the oven because I have not seen such a device -> http://prntscr.com/gwxs2w
Well, unless you have to take off the lid to get to it? Is it possible underneath? I am asking because I am not in this apartment what is this boiler.

Boiler: ECOCONDES GOLD PLUS 25



PS. I regret that I did not decide for a wired one, but unfortunately I did not want to drill holes in the wall right after the renovation.

If it is not in view, it is placed next to the boiler. 4 screws to unscrew .... it took longer to write the subject

Ecodens metal housing? After changing the jumpers, the receiver itself is better to lead out behind the boiler housing - more reliable communication.
Very little emergency devices, also high probability that someone has the same address set.

programosy.pl wrote:

I suspect that in the block someone has the same controller, which makes the boiler behave strangely often turns on and off without reaching the set temperature on the controller.

In general, buying a regulator with an analog matching transmitter and receiver for use in a block is an incorrect decision.
You had to buy a regulator with digital pairing, then you can be sure that no neighbor transmitter will control your boiler. Unless someone deliberately wants to hack your regulator to make you angry

It is also a mistake to mount the receiver in the boiler casing, because the metal casing of the boiler can effectively isolate the signal from the transmitter. The receiver requires 230V power supply and an additional control line to the boiler, so you can see how many cables disappear in the boiler casing to confirm whether it is camouflaged in the boiler casing, or whether it has been hidden somewhere outside.

In some controllers, if the radio signal is lost, the receiver controls the boiler according to the emergency mode and this may give the impression that the boiler works in a strange way.
Although it is possible that the neighbor controls your boiler if the factory work channel has not been changed.
So far, the image of an amateur installer is emerging, so probably Salusa was connected by a random person, not someone who knows what to do.

I have the same problem.

regulator with digital pairing - Can you recommend a device at an affordable price? I do not know how to check which regulator has analog or digital pairing.

digital pairing has, for example, the Salus RT510RF.
Normally you need to read the instruction manual of a particular model to be 100% sure that it has digital pairing.
In the case of Salus, an overall selection based on the appearance of the receiver can be made. Models that have a receiver identical to 091FLRF are analogs with DIPs, and the newer ones with a dual operating mode switch on the front of the housing are digital models.

In the case of 091FLRF, you have dozens of combinations of settings, so there is a chance that you will set DIPs unique in your area, but there is always a risk that the neighbor may someday be identical, so you must be aware of it.

There are 5 DIPs. i.e. 32 combinations probably.

The building has 2 cages of 3 apartments on the first floor - 30 apartments. Another block (30 apartments) is being built and probably also bought this device for everyone.

I've already combined on 3 settings. Still the same. It is more likely that he "catches" a neighbor or a possible communication problem. The regulator is about 3 m in a straight line, and the receiver switching on the stove under the stove in a gas pipe is located, the whole built-in MDF board to hide the wiring.

Is it possible that my WI-FI networks interfere with the work of the regulator?
If you buy a Salus RT510RF example, then the problem will not occur?

pajonk84 wrote:

Another block (30 apartments) is being built and probably also bought this device for everyone.

If you have Salus 091FLRF as a "developer" housing equipment, everyone in the block probably has the same regulator.
In that case, I would prefer to buy RT510RF, and sell the 091FLRF model.

pajonk84 wrote:

The regulator is about 3m in a straight line, and the receiver enclosing the stove under the stove in the pipe with gas located, the whole built-in MDF board to hide the wiring.

I wonder what you meant when writing that the receiver is in the pipe?

The distance of 3m is a picchu, because I work without problems at a dozen or so meters in a straight line in old buildings.

Radio waves do not like metal because it works as a screen and can effectively suppress the signal.
In my opinion, the receiver should be on top, in order to check the receiver's operating mode if necessary, it additionally increases the range and stability of transmission, and only the wires can be installed.

pajonk84 wrote:

Is it possible that my WI-FI networks interfere with the work of the regulator?

Radio waves have their drawbacks and limitations but for me it is not very real, although in theory it is possible.

pajonk84 wrote:

If you buy a Salus RT510RF example, then the problem will not occur?

RT510RF will eliminate the potential problem of boiler control by a neighbor, because it has digital pairing.

As for the range, you do not have a guarantee but for me, the range of a dozen or so meters is not a problem. I did the comparison and Euroster lost the range on the shorter stretch, and Salus tried to hide in the corners, in the farthest corners of the flat, and always flinched without stumbling. Only by covering the transmitter with a metal box after screwdrivers blocked communication with the receiver.

Because of this, your problems on the 3m section seem to be impossible but maybe you have metal structures in the walls that effectively shield and block the signal.

I apologize for the error, it should be:

... and the receiver switching on the furnace under the furnace on the gas pipe located

It lies simply on the knee of the gas supply pipe - so as not to hang on the cables.

So everyone has the same regulator.

In general, devices communicate well with me. The problem is that some other devices TAKE up my oven. They probably work on the same DIP settings. For example, I have a set temperature of 21.4C, the regulator shows at home already 22.6C, and the stove is still heating, and on the receiver a green diode is signaling that the boiler is to be switched on. I have already changed communication settings 3 times, but still the same. It borders with a miracle of getting a free combination if I have 32 of them and 30 apartments.

At the moment I am waiting for proof of purchase from the developer. Salus in this situation is ready to exchange me the device for the model that you gave. Someone made a fatal mistake by choosing this model for this block, and I already know from installers that another model, about 10 meters away (30 apartments), was purchased from this installer ...

The regulator's replacement remains. Thank you for your help.

That's how development companies work, probably at the end they remembered about a room regulator and it was enough to put a wire in front of the plaster. And did they remember the weather-carrying wire? Does not this boiler require it

kasprzyk wrote:

That's how development companies work, probably at the end they remembered about a room regulator and it was enough to put a wire in front of the plaster. And did they remember the weather-carrying wire? Does not this boiler require it

I have no idea if there is a weather station.
Just a wireless regulator is ok, but not such a model on such densities.

pajonk84 wrote:

It lies simply on the knee of the gas supply pipe - so as not to hang on the cables.

If you mention the regulator on the RT510RF, fix it humanly permanently to the wall or to some cabinet, etc.

pajonk84 wrote:

Someone made a fatal mistake by choosing this model for this block

Someone, or a developer that minimizes costs, and if not looking at 091FLRF is cheaper than RT510RF. Then the residents have problems, not the developer, and by the way, Salus and the boiler producer get a little on the head, because an ordinary Kowalski may think that the boiler and / or regulator is ...

pajonk84 wrote:

I have no idea if there is a weather station.

In my opinion, the weather has a sense if the boiler's power is so selected that it allows for the boiler to work for the majority of the heating season. I suspect for you that due to modern construction, the heat demand is so small that the 99.99% boiler is oversized, and then using a restaurant is pointless, simply by using the ON-OFF room regulator.

BUCKS wrote:

... I suspect for you that due to modern construction, the heat demand is so small that the 99.99% boiler is oversized, and then using a restaurant is pointless, simply by using the ON-OFF room regulator.

We do not know what is the demand of this apartment, do you assume that the boiler will always work at the lowest parameter? if this is the case, this is not necessary, but with these new apartments is not always so beautiful, and the current temperature is 15.20 per week, I do not believe that you will not have to manually raise the temperature on the boiler, the weather will do it for us it will also optimally use condensation in the boiler, when it gets warmer during the day, it will reduce the power supply parameter before the user reacts.

kasprzyk wrote:

We do not know what is the demand of this apartment

We do not know the concrete, but you can use the standards that apply, or have been in force in the last few years.

Recently, in another thread, one of my colleagues showed an energy certificate for a newly purchased apartment of approximately 70m2 in a building from 2013.
According to the certificate, the final energy demand is, as I remember, around 85kWh / m2 / year, including heating and ventilation, about 41kWh / m2 / year.
In the apartment quoted, the developer installed a gas boiler with a capacity of 8.5-21kW, so the minimum power of 8.5kW is much too much than it results from the real demand of this apartment.

According to the above, one can assume that each new flat will have low demand, so basically every gas boiler will be oversized.
I doubt that the developer would buy two-function boilers with a minimum power of 3-4kW in order to match the real demand of the apartment as best as possible.
He probably bought what was cheap for him, so I expect more minimal power and worse fit than available on the market.
In such a flat, the boiler can walk nonstop with minimal power, because this minimal power will be needed for freezing temperatures of -20 degrees or even higher.

As for me, in such circumstances, the weather, or automatic regulation of the supply water temperature, which is unnecessary, because we will not make the most of the benefits that this place offers, because the toe will be too oversized boiler.
In such apartments, instead of an individual gas station, one could consider a collective boiler for the whole block, which would be more sensible.
Alternatively, electric heating could be considered, but with electricity, there is always a hot water issue, which means an additional boiler at the current.
Therefore, I think the developer goes to the facility and installs a 2-function gas boiler in every apartment and has a headache, although in my opinion it has little to do with rational energy management, because only cash counts, and ecology etc. are empty phrases.

As I wrote how it will actually work at a minimum, the weather is unnecessary. As for the rest - the developer assumes an individual heating device for everyone and has a problem with the head, does not have to push with tenants for common costs, allocators, when to start / end the heating season and a whole lot of other problems, there are always two sides of the coin.

kasprzyk wrote:

As for the rest - the developer assumes an individual heating device for everyone and has a problem with the head, does not have to push with tenants for common costs, allocators, when to start / end the heating season and a whole lot of other problems, there are always two sides of the coin.

As I mentioned in individual heating due to low heat demand, one could consider electrics instead of an oversized gas boiler for each flat.

Besides, as far as I know, the developer wants to quickly build and sell apartments, so the problem of maintaining the property and potential heating will be on the side of the community that will be created by all apartment owners. Instead of dividers, you can use heat counters, as other forum colleagues wrote about in other threads. And, I think, finally, the efficiency and costs of maintaining one common boiler for 30 flats in a block, or one boiler per cage would be much better than in the 30 variant of oversized, individual gas boilers.
But that means a new project, new costs, so it's better to offer what you have before, because people will buy it anyway.