Seeking Recommendations for Permission-Free Walkie-Talkies with Up to 5km Range for Forest Hunting

Hello,
Dear forum members, I need your help in buying about 10 walkie-talkies, which can be used without permission, and which will be used in the forest when organizing hunting, therefore the range is quite large, up to 5 km.

Handheld CB radio only.
Michael

Hello

As for the CB Radio in the forest, it didn't work for me in the forest. I used Alana 95 Plus initially, then Alana 42 and finally Intek H-520 Plus. A communications drama, because you had to keep your squelch running all the time to hear anything, and it still sounded like something from the otherworld. Communication was carried out for the purpose of coordinating the rallies, so finally we placed a base with a decent antenna and Uniden 520 in the center of the occupied square, and the scheme was such that the base caught towels, collected reports and "rewired" further. I will add that various models and types of antennas were tested on hand towels, but there was no madness. Not to mention battery life. We haven't tested the PMRs, so I can't say. With time, when good GMS coverage appeared, we returned to mobile phones. That's from my experience.

Regards

Christian

or maybe there will be something good with a shorter range in the range of up to 3 km?

The nature of the forest is that the higher the frequency, the greater the attenuation. That's why foresters use 48-49MHz. PMR will perform worse than CB.
Michael

So I understand that this investment does not make sense because it will not work? Then I have no idea how else to improve communication during hunting, where there is no range and where several people should participate in the conversation

DzikiJanusz wrote:

or maybe there will be something good with a shorter range in the range of up to 3 km?

Without a permit you have the choice of CB or PMR other options require permits.

You can buy radiotelephones with a radio license (around PLN 30 per permit) for frequencies around 158MHz or 448MHz, work with 5W power, but with ranges you won't be crazy either.

Maybe you should consider licensing?

yogi009 wrote:

Maybe you should consider licensing?

And what would that give him? Suddenly 144 or 432MHz will penetrate the forest better?

DzikiJanusz wrote:

...Then I have no idea how else to improve communication during hunting...

yogi009 wrote:

Maybe you should consider licensing?

For all participants of the hunt? I wish you good luck .

www.radiosys.pl/pl/radiotelefon-dla-hunting

Target those radios, or at least this frequency.
Today, practically everyone has a "smartphone" in their pocket, so a great solution for free is to install a messenger. Personally, I recommend WhatsApp, text or voice messages are transferred. The condition is, of course, telephony coverage in the forest and having an Internet package.

It's just that the telephony range is very poor, one person has the other not and therefore it's hard for everyone to get the message at the same time. Of course, walkie-talkies are not needed for all hunting participants, only for some of them, up to 10 people, which would increase the safety, efficiency and effectiveness of hunting. To sum up, I thought that the topic would not be so complicated and something effective would be found on the market, but you can see that it is not such an easy thing

So I think there's no need to mess around, you have to take VHF / UHF radios, plus maybe a slightly longer antenna and if you can, you can.
Such radios in the HRS company or some other network (the VHF frequency of these companies is probably the same anyway) will probably cost about PLN 100 per piece in the version without a display with one or two channels programmed.

I recommend asking the seller to repeat the channel several times with other CTCSS subtones, or even DCS, because it may turn out that you will unnecessarily hear some "radio virtuoso" working on this channel with the antenna installed high and 50W of power pushed into this antenna, because he will want to run long-distance hehe.

CB 27MHz as a frequency, I agree that maybe it works better in the forest, but unfortunately these radios have a very shortened antenna in relation to the wavelength, so I see their meager ranges here and I dare say that even on the HRS, Navcoom or any other UHF band, you will have a better range than on CB.

If I succeed on Saturday, and there is a good chance for it, I can persuade my friend to do such a test in a spruce forest with an admixture of deciduous (although the leaves have already fallen and it does not matter) and write what it will look like in the amateur band 2m and 70cm .

I remember very well how years ago my friend and I barely got along on a distance of about 1km between Alan 95+ and Maycom AH27 on the original antennas, standing at the edge of the forest. I have never checked VHF and UHF and for myself I would like to confirm or disprove the theory about the vanity of these bands in the forest once and for all. I suppose that we will even shoot some video-stories and I will make some material from this test.

P.S. Or maybe there is already something like this on YT and it's enough to search for this site well?
Please link if anyone finds it.

Hello Colleagues...
Dump to e.g. paid Navcomm or other company selling equipment together with permits. You have more power, different antennas, headphones, etc... Up to 5 km is enough.

I completely agree with the colleague in post #14. Navcomms are compact, easy to use and have good batteries. In addition, the VHF band performs quite well in various thickets and backwoods, a lot depends on the conductivity of the ground - I checked it myself. Anyway, when buying more devices - you can always negotiate with the supplier to take a pair for testing and check "on the ground" - how they will perform.

Again, the distinguished KF brothers (no sarcasm) will disagree with us And the issue would be solved somehow...

It was supposed to be a test and it is.
I say unequivocally, some people talk nonsense and that's it.
A little explanation about the movie.
I live in the mountains and it's hard to find a fairly straight area between two points, so that there is no more solid hill on the way, so one station a little lower, the other higher, but the distance between us is 1900m, a spruce forest with a small percentage of deciduous trees, power in radios whether 1 or 5W slight change in signals.
So go to Navcoom or HRS or some other company for an offer and take radios on both frequencies plus permits and you will be satisfied.

The gentlemen from Minister Szyszko have been assigned the frequency 159.7875. So Baofeng GT3 with Nagoya NA771 antenna will solve the problem here.

Moderated By Olek II:

I corrected the content.
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SITO79 wrote:

So go for an offer to Navcoom or HRS or some other company and take radios on both frequencies plus permits and you will be satisfied.

I wrote about it in #8.

I know you wrote.
Me and other colleagues also wrote above, the material was supposed to illustrate what the signals in both bands would look like.
This distance could also be handled on good PMR446.
If a 27MHz towel falls into my hands, I'll try to repeat this test, but remembering what range it had, it won't be crazy.

Thanks to the Lord for the indispensable, meticulous help you are great, without you I would probably buy some non-working crap, and so I know what to ask where to look!

Most statements about CB are based on the 15-20cm rubber antenna [---- moderation would cut out the anatomical word] so-called rubber band.
An antenna 70-80 cm long (I have a fishing rod on some fiber, flexible) changes the situation dramatically.

Using an antenna of about 1m length for a 2m/70cm radio, we will also cause a dramatic improvement in the work of these bands (RH-770 users can confirm this) and again there will be a very significant jump from the quality that we get from the 27MHz radio even with such a longer antenna. But where is the functionality of such an almost meter long set?

Having duobanders with antennas with standard 15-20cm lengths in hand, it will be easier to get along between such sets on the 70cm band, because in this case we have full-size "quarters" on the radios.
We will put on the radio, for example, NA-771 and we already have a 70cm 5/8wave band.

For such close to several, maybe even ten-kilometer communication, whether the 11m, 2m or 70cm band is of little importance, the band where we will have a more effective antenna will have an advantage.

Generally, the topic is a river, and practice will always verify any written theories anyway.

The principle is simple ... the efficiency of the antenna strongly depends on its ratio of length to wavelength. And so for some 440MHz the wavelength is 0.7m, for 145MHz it is about 2m, for CB it is 11m. And now, respectively, the so-called half-wave antenna for 440MHz is 35cm, for 145m it is 1m and CB is as much as 5.5m. Also the 1m antenna for CB is a real disaster compared to the 1m antenna on 145MHz.
To sum up, the frequency of rangers - 159.7875 MHz is just right for the forest. This band penetrates wooded areas well and efficient antennas can be short enough to be toweled.

What was the set deviation for 70cm and 2m does anyone know? What types of antennas? 1/2.1/4.5/8 ? Flat mountainous terrain? At what height was the receiver and at what level was the sender? What was the propagation for 2 m and 70 cm that day? Such measurements are amateurish and that's it.

The area on the given map from your area.
So we are waiting for professional measurements in your edition.
Happy New Year !

Kubulas wrote:

What was the set deviation for 70cm and 2m does anyone know? What types of antennas? 1/2.1/4.5/8 ? Flat mountainous terrain? At what height was the receiver and at what level was the sender? What was the propagation for 2 m and 70 cm that day? Such measurements are amateurish and that's it.

You cheered me up this New Year
I am also looking forward to professional range tests in your edition, taking into account all possible weather and propagation conditions.

Be sure to forecast these conditions to the author of the post before each hunting trip, so that the group knows if they can afford to increase or decrease the distance between themselves.

You can buy a license, e.g. in the hamradioshop store for two frequencies 150Mhz and 460Mhz http://hamradioshop.pl/radiotelefony-amatorsk...alne/browse/50-pozwolenia-radiowe.html?sef=hc for this you will be able to tighten the antenna a little longer and 5 watts of power. I think that's the best solution