Energy consumption of 1340kwh in two months (2 x more than normal)

I have a problem and I am looking for the cause.

Yesterday I was reading the electricity meter in my house.
It was PLN 700 for two months and consumption was 1,340 kWh.

The problem is not the amount and consumption, although this is probably a lot, but looking at the consumption history from February (I do not have a preview before) consumption was at the level of 560-700 kWh in two months.
EDIT - I've found the whole history of consumption since we live here, i.e. about 2.5 years - as above, never more than 720 kWh.

Read from October 5, I know it got dark, electric boiler, DHW CO pumps, etc. (family of 4) eco-pea coal stove, house 90 m2 plus garage, but last winter there were no such bills.

Analyzing what could be about 600kwh more, I remembered the situation when our neighbor borrowed an extension cord from us for the renovation team because they were not at home. They were given an extension cord for 3-4 hours. They were making some gas connections to the house. I don't know exactly what they were doing but they didn't have any heavy equipment. Even assuming a polyfusion welder or something - is there an option that they use so much kWh in such a short time ??

Because I don't know what to think. Do you need to change your habits (more candles However, does my neighbor hang around 300 zlotys ......

Deny_denis wrote:

could return cirka 600kwh

Deny_denis wrote:

They were given an extension cord for 3-4 hours

If you were to eat 600 kWh for 4 hours, your power consumption would have to be 150 kW. Even an installation in a building would not endure that, not to mention the fact that the installation safeguards would work first. To sum up - it is impossible for a neighbor to "fill" you with 600 kWh of consumption in such a short time.

Xantix wrote:

If you were to eat 600 kWh for 4 hours, your power consumption would have to be 150 kW. Even an installation in a building would not endure that, not to mention the fact that the installation safeguards would work first. To sum up - it is impossible for a neighbor to "fill" you with 600 kWh of consumption in such a short time.

I thought so too, but I'd rather ask. So I have to look for a power eater because after analyzing the history of all invoices etc - in 3 years we have never used more than 720 kWh for two months, now 1340kwh, so assuming that our neighbor / workers did not support the electricity all the time in our absence (possible although I do not want to believe me)

So I have to look for a Co pump, thermal TV, etc.

Thanks

mn997 wrote:

I will ask again, What friend has a meter? Maybe I will not be thrown into the trash again. Greetings . Also the moderator.

Electronic, non-rotating magnet treated for that matter :)

However, I read about faulty freaking meters and various battles with electricity suppliers that the hair stands on the back of the neck ...

These "electronic wonders - counters" have their own whims. For me, six months after installing the new meter, there was a reset, because after two months the reading was lower than before. Not only that, so far
"1.8.0 E: Import-Active. Energy. Total" is not the sum of items 1.8.1 and 1.8.2.
I don't know where it came from and I don't think about it.
I described it because maybe in your case some "reset" only worked the other way round.

I am after the initial measurement of everything at home, nothing shows a breakdown, but the daily consumption was 11 kWh (not the previous average of 20), the measurement will be more reliable when I compare more days, especially including the weekend. In any case, I can exclude damaged heat pumps, central heating, computer, etc. Now I have to calculate the total approximate consumption with the characteristics of the last 2 months.

I would be interested in the tightness of the taps. It is true that in order to pour 600 kWh in a month, a leakage of 14 liters of water heated by 50 degrees per hour is needed. It's probably unrealistic not to notice it, but some part of the sudden increase would be easiest to explain that way.

And there is a DHW circulation pump?

mn997 wrote:

Please enter the type of meter (clear photo), and your electricity supplier?

Tauron, while the counter does not have a photo.

kloszi wrote:

And there is a DHW circulation pump?

Not.

pawel1148 wrote:

I would be interested in the tightness of the taps. It is true that in order to pour 600 kWh in a month, a leakage of 14 liters of water heated by 50 degrees per hour is needed. It's probably unrealistic not to notice it, but some part of the sudden increase would be easiest to explain that way.

Well, here I can be 99% sure that it does not drip, everything with taps is ok.

Gienek wrote:

"1.8.0 E: Received-Active. Energy. Total" is not the sum of items 1.8.1 and 1.8.2.
I don't know where it came from and I don't think about it.

Because there are still items 1.8.3 and 1.8.4 ...

Ba_rt wrote:

Tauron has interesting methods! Please search on the internet.

This is true, but not only Tauron. During this time, the counter was replaced or did it stay the same ?? Few people know that modern meters (electronic trash) show higher energy consumption than it would appear from the statistical calculation from home appliances. So the whole thing is based on how the meter measures the power. A colleague in his home probably has too many converters in power supplies for home appliances, and there are also induction motors in the furnace. Feeder, blowing, pumps whose load is inductive, similar to converters (inductive capacitive load). A colleague needs a reactive power compensation system. Well, unless the meter measures active power and (or) apparent power, which would be consistent with the equation of a colleague. Unfortunately, electricity suppliers prey on this ignorance by installing incorrect energy meters that are not adapted to the given needs.
There is also a possibility that the counter hit classically. Or what I once noticed with a neighbor, it was reprogrammed by the service using the terminal.
Therefore, it was not without reason that my colleague asked above about the type of meter, here we do not need a photo but a model of the meter.

mn997 wrote:

Tauron has interesting methods! Please search on the internet.

A colleague will provide the links, because google does not return anything interesting when asked "tauron interesting methods".

cooltygrysek wrote:

Few people know that modern meters (electronic trash) show higher energy consumption than it would appear from the statistical calculation from home appliances.

Electronic trash, you say ...
My friend probably misses the tin trash, which, without any interference, was able to cheat on its own for the benefit of the client. I will not mention the lack of resistance to EMF.

And if you think that the DSO introduces some deliberate modifications to the measurement systems, aimed at deceiving customers - report it to the URE and UOKiK.
Until you do this and receive confirmation of your theory, it is a theory worth nothing (read: conspiracy theory).

Anyway, let the Author review the invoices from many billing periods, not only the current and the previous one, but also the previous ones (for the entire year).
It is possible that the previous calculations were estimated / forecasted, they could be understated or overestimated in the negative.
But after the real reading it flattened out and ... an underpayment came out.

mn997 wrote:

http://forum.muratordom.pl/showthread.php?247102-TAURON- praktkuje-na-swoje-wkietaania-liczników. Even if. found in seconds.

Do you really understand something of this word of mouth? I bow my head ...
This quote from Murator is like talking to a doggie man while selling an old ragged beem.

The author writes, "Then I'm looking for a power eater because after analyzing the history of all invoices, etc. - in 3 years we have never used more than 720 kWh for two months" so what should an electrician specialist look for in invoices if he has it settled? as for the muratord forum so hard to understand? The descriptor is lucky anyway that they acknowledged something. If the company is a judge in its own case, anything can happen. Receiving the meter, I DON'T HAVE ITS DOCUMENTATION - because it is the property of the distributor. I don't know what the working conditions are, what are the problems at work, errors, what to look for. In fact, I have no information WHAT THIS COUNTER SHOWS! Of course, it is about new electronic. By the way, mechanical for the benefit of the distributor, they could also be wrong - for example, the disc continued to rotate after disconnecting all circuits after the meter.

I understand. Tauron is cheating. The problem is who is cheating and what for? Conspiracy theories as conspiracy theories. Just think logically.
Does a single serviceman / supervisor of this serviceman get a bonus for cheating a customer? This bonus must be very high, since he cheated someone on 0.1% of energy consumption attributable to him ...
On the other hand. On a national scale, can anyone in such a large company say, "cheat people, because the money has to be right" ?? Sooner or later, one of the employees would anonymously inform about the procedure. in Tauron.
Low meters can be installed on a national scale, that is a fact. But it is also verifiable. But personally, apart from a possible mistake - everyone is wrong, I would rule out cheating people reading meters.
I have traveled many times on the claim that people are honest by nature, but cheating for the company for free is rather non-Polish behavior ...

Coming back to the issue of an extension cord, you can actually download max ~ 16KWh for 4 hours through such an ordinary socket, which is risky even with a good quality extension cord.

For me, it is always the end of the year that the actual consumption equals the forecast consumption. And for this month, higher bills are usually paid, because more electricity is used every year. These bills with my operator are so complicated that I can't deduce anything myself except the amount. I do not know what it is like with electronic meters and how mobile they are (they have not introduced them in private homes, because they do not want to spend money on stupid things). But the billing system could remain the same. That the physical reading determines the amount of the last installment once a year. And the amount of the remaining ones is determined by last year's consumption. Therefore, it happened in the area that someone received a PLN 900 bill for December.

@cooltygrysek As for this reactive power consumption. I don't know how it is now. But I was firmly convinced that in contracts between distributors and individual customers there is only active power. There is no payment for passive. It is different in the case of business.

In these zones, there is no power consumption for me, so they do not affect the total in item 1.8.0

Pawel1114 generally agreed, but these "experts" have - or at least had - bonuses for finding problems. Read here on the electrode about electricity thieves, on the net about deliberate damage to meters, etc. I am not saying that in this case it is so, but for a monopolist such cases of problems and faults are no matter, general cargo and are neglected - to the disadvantage of the customer. The problem is that there is no independent institution that would oversee such matters on an ongoing basis. URE and UOKiK deal with "fat" matters, they leave retailers at the far end, but you will not deal with the problem of the reliability of the meter with them. There is no completely independent laboratory for verifying meters. The ones that are always somehow cooperating with the monopolists, so they don't want to hurt them.

pawel1148 wrote:

I have traveled many times on the claim that people are honest by nature, but cheating for the company for free is rather non-Polish behavior ...

Fans of conspiracy theories do not realize that it simply makes no sense.
Defective meters reach recipients as a result of errors and negligence, not deliberate action. Well, the spherical shape of the Earth is one gigantic fake, and the condensation trail behind the plane is not water vapor but chemicals ...

pawel1148 wrote:

As for this reactive power consumption. I don't know how it is now. But I was firmly convinced that in contracts between distributors and individual customers there is only active power. There is no payment for passive. It is different in the case of business.

As far as I know, nothing has changed in this regard. So, individual customers in Gxx tariffs and companies in C1x are not charged with charges for reactive energy.
It is only from C2x tariffs that Qi starts at tg?> 0.4 and Qc for each kvarh.
Another thing is that meters installed at individual customers allow such a measurement. Although it is not visible on the invoice *, this is already an opportunity to forge conspiracy theories.

* Unfortunately, PGE's Białystok branch added fuel to the fire, charging PV prosumers with Qc energy. More here .
However, recent posts show that the provider has pulled back from this.

zworys wrote:

Read here on the electrode about electricity thieves, on the net about deliberately damaging meters, etc.

There were such nits among the power engineers. There were arsonists in the same way as in the Fire Department.
However, this is not a reason to condemn the entire industry.
As of today, no one in their right mind will undertake this practice - little or no profit, and the risk is colossal.
These are no longer wild times as in the communist era and shortly after the change of the political system. Currently, for minor offenses, you will fly to the pavement.
And the more so that energy companies "sold" activities related to technical customer service to subcontractors. And the subcontractor's employee is even more uphill, because he will get a kick for just any junk, which in a juggernaut might spread to his bones.

zbich70 wrote:

As far as I know, nothing has changed in this regard. So individual customers in Gxx tariffs and companies in C1x are not charged with reactive energy fees.
It is only from C2x tariffs that Qi starts at tg?> 0.4 and Qc for each kvarh.
Another thing is that meters installed at individual customers allow such a measurement. Although it is not visible on the invoice *, this is already an opportunity to forge conspiracy theories.

You are wrong here. Even in C1x tariffs, PGE charges for inductive or reactive capacitive energy. For new customers it is already a standard, while for old customers an analysis is carried out and they are informed in a letter about the beginning of the settlement with reactive energy from the month xxx. Usually it is + 2n. This is to adapt the installation (capacitor or choke battery).

As for the real energy consumption, it is possible.
I have a similar-sized house and the energy consumption was 550 kWh / month in winter, compared to 350 kWh in July (even less in August, but it was a vacation).

I have such a contraption, which is an information panel for a meter (or rather meters, because also gas) and I have a preview of energy consumption in an hourly (for the current day), daily (last 7 days), weekly (five weeks) and monthly (12 months) .

And only with such a comparison you can see what is happening with the chewing of energy in the household.

15kVmaciej wrote:

zbich70 wrote:

There were such nits among the power industry

Yes, they still are. It is enough to analyze the ordinary electricity bill, how much money and tribute there is.

Yeah, a private energy worker or subcontractor has an influence on the content of the bill ...
I mean pathologies at the interface between the installer and the client. And this one, in my opinion and in my neighborhood, was ousted. The princes of ZE no longer exist.
On the contrary, the fitter is afraid of his own shadow, he watches over the GPS and the numbers that are put "into the box" than he cares about a reliable job.
Well, once a prince or lady would come, and the recipient asked politely if he would like to try some tea (with or without an insert), maybe he would eat a sandwich ...
Now a scared boy is coming, he changes the meter and fucks up, because he still has 30 pieces to earn a day's wages.
Two extremes, I don't know which is worse ... :|

caveman67 wrote:

You are wrong here. Even in C1x tariffs, PGE charges for inductive or reactive capacitive energy.

Well ... PGE ... as always, it is a pioneer and blazes new paths ...