Electricity Consumption in a Single-Family House: Is 300 kWh/month Normal? Tariff G11, Pafal Meter

Colleagues, I have a question. Is electricity consumption of 300 kWh per month a lot or normal. I started to control the meter because the forecast for the second half of the year is PLN 278 per month. It is true that in the spring, the grinder and the welder worked a bit at the house. But this forecast surprised me. So far, I have paid 220 zlotys. Thanks for the answers. The counter works fine, dial Pafal. House tariff G11.

Mierzejewski46 wrote:

Is electricity consumption of 300 kWh per month a lot or normal.

And how to infer if you do not indicate any specific data? It is even more difficult to judge anything if ... it is a forecast

Excuse me. I will clarify. So far, I have paid PLN 220 per month for energy. I did not control the consumption. There is a collector every six months. In the spring I did a bit at home and the forecast for the second half of the year came out for PLN 278. And so I was interested in electricity consumption. I wrote down the meter and now it is 300kWh per month. In the house, two bathtub freezers 200 liters full, a fridge, a computer and 2 TVs, some decorative LED lighting, a stove that is only one pump, about 50W. Garage. I would like to add that I do not save too much electricity and the bills of PLN 200 with a slight plus did not bother me, but I started to get dangerously close to PLN 300 and I was interested in this fact. For two months I have been controlling the consumption and it oscillates around 300kWh. There was a little more in spring. Especially in April and May, because I wanted a new one. Probably the higher forecast for the second half of the year. But I wonder if my wear is normal. Friends pay 130 to 180. But there are also those every May 250, but with air conditioning.

In the autumn and winter period, this is the average electricity consumption.

For two years, consumption has been at the level of 1800kWh per one forecast (6 months). You reassured me a bit. So there is no tragedy. I talked to a friend and he says I pay a lot. I have hot water from the stove, what and when I showed him the forecast for these six months, he grabbed his head. I wonder if I should switch to monthly billing. I have such jumps in consumption, periods where I can use a lot of electricity in a month and then to forecast it results in such bills. It is true that I had an overpayment and it does not hurt me especially that I am depositing a few zlotys from ZE. But I was touched by this topic. With us, PGE adds PLN 5 to the invoice for monthly settlements. I don't know if it's worth it. PLN 60 per year.

Mierzejewski46 wrote:

Is electricity consumption of 300 kWh per month a lot or normal

It seems to me that such consumption in a single-family house is acceptable (summer-winter fluctuations are always there). I live in a flat in a block of flats without a grinder, welding machine and bath freezers, but 2 computers, 2 TVs, and everything else in the block of electricity (washing machine, fridge, microwave, lighting) and on average from 160 to 180 kWh per month for a month. This is usually the case with these forecasts.
I have the same with water, winter at home means more consumption, then settlement and a greater forecast in the summer. Summer away from home, less consumption and again a new smaller forecast. Over and over again. Once a surcharge, once an overpayment.

10 kWh / day - normal.

Best regards.

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Mierzejewski46 wrote:

disc Pafal.

If they change to electronic, you will be surprised.

anchilos wrote:

If they change to electronic, you will be surprised.

This also makes me wonder. Why is this happening. With ZE, a colleague said that the disc can even count only from 20W, the digital charger will even count. My old man reacts to the 4W led light point.

The electronic one catches the peaks of the current, or even "flies on the peaks".
The disc averages due to inertia - I think so.

Mierzejewski46 wrote:

With ZE, a colleague said that the disc can even count only from 20W

Even if so, nowadays, some devices are on at any moment that draw more than 20 W.
Maybe a specialist who knows the system of electronic meters will speak.

Best regards.

If you ignore 20 W for even 12 hours, it would be only 0.24 kWh.

Accurate counting, measuring and counting all consumption points is probably the best way to a possible detailed analysis of the bill. Comparisons such as I pay XXX per month and my colleague YYY in the same period do not make any sense, because each house has a completely different consumption structure, a different set of receivers, or, finally, completely different habits of the household members. Not without significance are also significant differences in the energy consumption of theoretically comparable devices. And on top of that there are also regionally different tariffs, so ... It is simply not possible.

It is also worth paying attention to what Col. 101pavel . I mean the unnecessary idle work of many home devices. And there are more and more of them, because the number of remotes, power supplies and chargers is still growing. What's the scale? It's worth checking yourself. In one of my friends' apartments, which I analyzed myself, I counted over 120W (average) of wasted energy. Apparently not much, but ... After adding up the next days, months and years, these lost funds make a much greater impression. And that's literally stupidly wasted money.

I checked the credibility - the reliability of the old dial counter with 6x200W bulbs and two "farelkas".
Indications as part of the measurement error and reading from the dial counter.

The electronic meter confirms these measurements, with such a load, but it "hits" me 30% more, although I have not changed my habits.

A colleague of the Author can check the counter in the same way.
If the load of several (different) devices is correct - it can be considered with a high probability that the meter is not "stealing"

Best regards.

There is something wrong with me. I also have an average monthly consumption of about 300kWh, but for the bill for 2 months I pay less than PLN 300.
Enea operator - G12W tariff.
Could such a big difference result from a different tariff? Maybe consider changing your G11?

This is why I created this topic, to hear your opinions and tips. At 300kWh per month and the price per kWh 0.60 PLN, the bill is 200 PLN of actual consumption. It is not profitable to change the tariff because the hours of energy use are very unstable and mainly at peak times, but I am seriously considering switching to monthly billing. Because the forecast now for PLN 278 is the operator's excess. At PGE, you have to pay PLN 5.9 for this service every month, this is the amount of PLN 70 per year. For now, I'm watching the wear. Week after week is almost the same. Consistently at 70-80 kWh per week. Thanks for the hints.

Mierzejewski46 wrote:

Because the forecast now for PLN 278 is the operator's excess.

Since you agreed to the bill issued on the basis of forecasts, then you can not blame the operator. Large bills may be caused by an overestimated outlook on the basis of much higher periodic salaries in previous billing periods. For example, calculated on the basis of the period in which the renovation was carried out. If so, you will simply end up with a large overpayment on your part, which will be settled in the credit note in the next period. This will also result in a strong (downward) correction of subsequent forecasts.

Unfortunately, billing based on forecasts is a typical, but somewhat unfair form of payment, which is in practice a hidden mechanism for free credit to energy suppliers. This is one of the many pathologies of our system:
"Billing based on actual consumption is the dominant model in markets where remote reading meters are effective, eg in Finland or Norway. In many countries, however, they are one of the available methods, often available in selected offers or for an additional fee. real settlements in Poland is the lack of preferences for such a model, both on the part of the regulator (the Energy Regulatory Office) and Distribution System Operators (i.e. five energy groups that own the transmission infrastructure, the so-called who are responsible for the installation of remote reading meters and their subsequent correct reading and transmission of billing data. "
Read the whole thing here: https://subiektywnieoffinansach.pl/polak-i-ra...lowie-plac-z-gory-za-to-co-moze-zuzyjesz-czy- pays-to-resign-from-prognoses /

Of course, it is possible to request a correction of the forecast size. When applying to BOK in this matter, please refer to § 32 clause 4 and 5 of the Regulation of the Minister of Economy of 18 August 2011 . on the detailed principles of shaping and calculating tariffs and settlements in electricity trading ( NS. Of Laws No. 189, item 1126 ). There is a provision there that gives this possibility: "The forecasts referred to in section 4 should be taken into account significant changes in electricity consumption reported by the customer . " To sum up - if the period of increased energy consumption is over (for example, after a closed renovation), you have the right to demand a more favorable forecast correction.

In the case of my house, the forecast was always downhill and I was overpaid every period of time. All in all, it didn't bother me because it's nice to have "free" for almost one month. But the bills were PLN 220. Such a piggy bank. There was always an underpayment with my parents, with the bills of PLN 500 per month (farm). They always had a lot to pay extra. Father was pissed. Because twice a year he had an extra fee. It switched to monthly billing and the forecasting was over. It's good for me that I overpay, it doesn't hurt so much. I will see now at the end of the six months. And a new forecast. My consumption has stabilized at the level of 300kWh per month. Glad to hear your answers, I found out a lot. So far, there has been neither time nor effort for this. Construction, renovation, and that was it.

Forecasting is not bad overall, as long as the forecast has been reliably calculated and more or less coincides with the actual consumption. Otherwise, it is not only a piggy bank, but also a free loan to an energy supplier. When interest rates are high, it does not pay off, because it would be better to keep these funds in the bank instead of overpaying. Now there's more inflation and interest rates are hitting the bottom. But it also doesn't pay off. Because every month you deposit money worth a little more than your overpayment will be at the end of the billing period. When the differences reach several dozen zlotys, the loss is negligible. But with overpayments of several thousand ... I would start looking for another solution.

Now I got such forecasts and bills.

And this is my daily consumption. Photo yesterday

And today

Mierzejewski 46 , there is still an option to disconnect from the network, zero to pay. But seriously, the bills aren't that high.

A friend also claims that there is no tragedy. So I guess I'll let go of the topic and stay with what is. I do not roll much by switching to monthly billing, since I use electricity for PLN 160-170 per month and the rest are fixed fees.

393kWh per month gives about 13kWh per day. Assuming that you have chosen a fairly representative day to take the readings, you have a consumption of about 9kWh / day, which is over 30% less than their estimates. But you also have to consider the season and so on, so the revaluation will be less.
However, whether the bills are large or not, you have to answer for yourself - only you know how many and what kind of energy receivers you have at home, how often they are used, etc.
For example, I have 3 people in my house 150m? - recuperation, 3 TV sets, no electric heating and the average monthly consumption for the last few years is 300kWh, so your consumption seems quite high to me.
But it is known - this is only my subjective opinion

Photo from a moment ago.

So consumption at a similar level. I have noticed such a tendency in my website that PGE prefers to slightly overestimate its forecasts. That spring, I had an increased consumption of electricity and the forecasts have increased since then. According to these few days of observation, I use about 10 kWh. of electricity, which gives 300 kWh per month, the forecast is 393 kWh. I will withstand this one billing period but I will monitor the consumption. We'll see. The lifestyle and management of electricity are on a constant level.

Mierzejewski46 wrote:

... PGE prefers to slightly overestimate its forecasts

Each distributor prefers to slightly inflate, because then they will charge you a slightly higher amount of prepayments. And this, after all, is a free loan granted to the company by its client. Individual amounts are usually small, but multiplying times a million contracts ... There is already something to fight for

On Tuesday, PGE replaced my old meter with an electronic Gamma 300. For 5 days it gained 56 kWh. So it counts not too bad. Kind of like an old dial.5 I'll add that it's a bidirectional counter. As if someone had a pdf manual. I would be grateful.

This topic provides an instruction for the GAMA300 counter Link

Mierzejewski46 wrote:

I talked to a friend and he says I pay a lot.

Do not believe your friends too much (unless you see his receipts with your own eyes). Because everyone tells you that they pay less. And with these forecasts, for example, Tauron begins to fly into balls. I have a two-month settlement and there was no collector this year. Every two months I have to correct forecasts and enter the meter reading.

Pan.Kropa wrote:

Do not believe your friends too much (unless you see his receipts with your own eyes). Because everyone tells you that they pay less.

And it depends only on who has friends. Amateur sociology will not always work here

Friends always pay less on bills and their cars always smoke less. From the stories of some, it can be said that their cars burn so little fuel that their fuel tanks once refueled do not empty at all.

Pan.Kropa wrote:

Friends always pay less on the bills

And my friends are not. They keep complaining about how much money they are paying now, and they still complain about "communism was better", because they had electricity almost for free and they transported fuel from state farms in barrels.

zbich70 wrote:

Pan.Kropa wrote:

Friends always pay less on the bills

And my friends are not. They keep complaining about how much money they are paying now, and they still complain about "communism was better", because they had electricity almost for free and they transported fuel from state farms in barrels.

So they miss you because then they were "someone"