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7 Days Car Return: Broken Crate, Clutch Issues, Oil Loss & Support Fluid - Can They Return?

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  • #1 16929880
    disel567
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    Hi, I didn't know where to add it, but maybe someone can give me information. The case is so I exchanged cars in which I took it was not even possible to ride because the crate was broken and the clutch. However, for my car the guy ran over and didn't complain about anything and got the car warm after driving 100km so he had nothing to complain about. He liked everything, looked at him and had no doubts. However, after 2 days, he began to write me made-up things that the oil suddenly loses and the support fluid somehow after driving those 100km nothing happened and nothing was lost. Maybe something happened to him and now he wants to give back? What do you think about it can he return it or what? Thanks in advance for your reply.
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  • #2 16929890
    Anonymous
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  • #3 16929920
    disel567
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    Of course I have a contract. I just think this guy might have broken something because I was and I'm sure of this engine
  • #4 16929924
    Doominus
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    Is there an amount on the contract that was actually paid?

    Sometimes it is so that the guest asks you to enter a larger one because something ... .... and then returns the car and requests a refund
  • #5 16929935
    disel567
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    The price is exemplary because it was replacing a car for a car.
  • #6 16929957
    Vytautas_YT
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    Is the price adequate to the value of the car or understated?
  • #7 16929976
    disel567
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    The price is PLN 900, I think it is adequate because there were a few things to do but there were no extractors
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  • #8 16929992
    jacek0503
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    Present the exchange agreement - as it is worded. What are the clauses it contains? If you have in the contract a record that the guy knows the condition of the car and accepts any defects and that there is no way to return the car "because something happened to him", I do not understand what he means. He accepted the provisions of the contract, he signed it means he knew and accepted everything. He is not a child and let him not make a circus.
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  • #9 16930028
    Vytautas_YT
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    Exactly, on most contracts of this type there is a clause saying that the buyer is familiar with the technical condition of the vehicle. And the seller cannot be responsible for defects arising after the conclusion of the contract, even if they are not defects caused by improper use and the most ordinary wear and tear of an item.
  • #10 16930689
    Kantylena
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    Unfortunately, gentlemen, you are wrong, such a clause has the same meaning as the color of the ink of the pen with which we sign the contract .. Serio!

    As the coolant begins to deplete, the oil will disappear after 2 weeks because someone has just bought a sharp route or, for example, the audio will get off, there is no option to prove that nothing happened with us.
    And such a contract means nothing.
    In court, you can win a case with a good appraiser.

    Bah! traders are even introducing a guarantee, which is fiction, because it is never available.
    Read legal cases on the net where someone bought a car and it turned out that it was beaten or that the engine needs to be repaired after 2 weeks and so what is the record?
    These are some kind of hidden defects, even if the seller did not know about them, the appraiser can always state that after 2 hours such a thing will not be done only after half a year, e.g.

    Unfortunately, such a provision of the contract is not a judgment and you can often claim, because we know the state only as it is at the moment and the leaks can be washed, add oil or liquid, some display, e.g. when it warms up, it shines when it is cold, it doesn't works etc.

    Or if a cold engine is telepiece.

    I also once thought that such a record and now you can sleep peacefully, unfortunately not. Apparently, the traders have some options for it, but no one wants to reveal what they add to the contract that you go behind the gate and that's it, "we close the gate and we don't know each other"

    However, as for the author, a strange thing, for such a sum someone is surprised because there is something wrong :|
    This is not a BMW for 200,000, in my opinion a sick man.
    If he wants, let him take the case to court and that's it. What is there to do a lot?
    Or pick up the car and that's it. I wouldn't give the money back.

    Of course, you need to check what he is talking about, because he can swing, etc.
  • #11 16930799
    jacek0503
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    Madam? Lord? - what you write is amazing. Please provide a specific provision in civil law that says these clauses are invalid? From what you write, it appears that virtually no provisions in civil law contracts have any meaning and application, and in my opinion it is very strange and disturbing.
    "Apparently, the traders have some options for this, but no one wants to reveal what they add to the contract, that you go behind the gate and that's it," we close the gate and we don't know each other. "And I don't know what to say to that ?? ?
    It comes out again and the "traders" have their "tricks" and the ordinary buyer of anything (eg car, computer, etc.) has no rights.
    And in this case, please indicate where there may potentially be a defect in the civil law contract, what is the sales contract or exchange contract. Obviously, theoretically, because the author did not provide us with the contract he concluded with the contractor.
  • #12 16931896
    Kantylena
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    This is not about the fact that these clauses are invalid, but about the fact that nobody is able to fully check the car in 100%.
    It is like going on a long journey. To have to rip a half car.
    Sometimes something works better when the engine is warm, something decreases gradually, does not work / works etc.

    If someone will vengeful oils this entry and go from court, nobody will say in court that you have signed the contract, because the employed appraiser will declare that the defect increased for months and should be known to the seller / owner, etc.

    According to me, the chances of winning anything at this point are negligible.

    Yes, traders use some tricks, so when you buy a car from them you can fight a lot, I don't know, maybe they have some lawyers and somehow they can arrange the points in the contract differently.
    Because they wouldn't eat it that way, but apparently it doesn't concern them, because they are professionals ;)


    It is just like a warranty on the battery, the warranty is but the defect always arises from the fault of the user and that's it.
    Same here, there is this clause, but if someone persists, 90% have a winning case, because however, a small defect arises from day to day, except that we may not be aware of this fact as the owners.
  • #13 16933389
    conrad9210
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    Hi.
    From experience I will write that if we sell a car with defects / faults and inform the buyer about it and he is aware of that he is buying a car from us then these defects should be listed in the sales contract. If, then after buying something, the buyer "visits" and wants to give us the car, he cannot demand warranty for the faults entered in the contract.
    greetings

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around a car exchange where the original poster (OP) is facing issues with a returned vehicle. The OP claims that the exchanged car had a broken crate and clutch, making it undriveable, while the other party, who received the OP's car, is now alleging oil loss and support fluid issues after two days of use. The OP is concerned that the other party may be fabricating these claims to return the car. Responses emphasize the importance of the exchange contract, which should outline the condition of the vehicles and any known defects. Many contributors argue that if the contract states the buyer accepted the vehicle's condition, they cannot return it based on subsequent claims of defects. However, some caution that hidden defects may complicate the situation, suggesting that legal recourse could be pursued if necessary.
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FAQ

TL;DR: Buyer drove 100 km, then claimed oil/coolant loss; the thread shows that contract clauses may not end disputes, and “after driving those 100 km nothing happened.” Resolve by verifying faults, documenting, and checking the exchange contract. [Elektroda, disel567, post #16929880]

Why it matters: This FAQ helps private sellers and swappers handle post‑sale defect claims without escalating unnecessarily.

Quick Facts

Can the buyer return a swapped car within 7 days if issues appear?

Possibly, if they allege hidden defects. Clauses like “buyer knows the condition” may not block claims. A buyer can argue the fault existed at sale. An appraiser opinion often drives outcomes. Sellers should document state and mileage at handover. [Elektroda, Kantylena, post #16930689]

What should I do first when a buyer reports oil or coolant loss?

Confirm whether the faults exist. Ask for photos, dipstick readings, and coolant reservoir levels. Propose an inspection at a neutral workshop. Review your signed contract for defect and return terms before agreeing to any remedy. Keep communication in writing. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16929890]

Does a “buyer is familiar with the vehicle condition” clause stop all claims?

No. It helps, but it may not defeat claims about hidden or preexisting defects. Courts can consider expert opinions on when a fault began. Documentation and disclosure still matter more than boilerplate. [Elektroda, Kantylena, post #16930689]

What should I write into a private sale or swap contract?

List each known fault plainly (e.g., minor leak, worn clutch). Note mileage, VIN, and any recent repairs. State that the buyer read and accepted the listed defects. Clear lists reduce warranty expectations for those items. [Elektroda, conrad9210, post #16933389]

Is entering an inflated or ‘exemplary’ price risky?

Yes. Entering a higher amount can backfire if the buyer later demands a refund aligned to that figure. Record the true consideration and terms. Avoid verbal side deals. “Sometimes the guest asks you to enter a larger one.” [Elektroda, Doominus, post #16929924]

Does a 100 km test drive without issues protect the seller?

It strengthens the seller’s position but does not guarantee safety from claims. Timing and mileage help show condition at handover. Keep proof that the vehicle was warm and operating normally when delivered. [Elektroda, disel567, post #16929880]

What is a civil‑law exchange agreement in this context?

It is a contract where two parties swap vehicles instead of paying cash. It functions like a sales agreement, with clauses on defects, acceptance, and responsibilities. Keep wording precise and signed by both parties. [Elektroda, jacek0503, post #16930799]

What is a hidden defect on a used car?

A hidden defect is a fault not visible at handover that materially reduces value or use. Examples include masked leaks or issues that show only when warm. Claims often hinge on expert timing opinions. [Elektroda, Kantylena, post #16930689]

How do I handle a post‑sale defect dispute (3 steps)?

  1. Verify the fault with evidence and a neutral inspection.
  2. Check the contract for defect and return clauses.
  3. Document all findings and propose a written resolution or inspection plan. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16929890]

Can ordinary wear and tear be my defense as a seller?

Yes, for defects arising after the contract due to normal wear. Many contracts state the buyer understood the technical condition at purchase. Still, keep records showing the fault developed later. [Elektroda, Vytautas_YT, post #16930028]

Should I immediately take the car back and refund?

Not automatically. First, check the facts and whether the claim is credible for the price and vehicle class. One poster notes they would not refund without verification. Avoid rushed decisions. [Elektroda, Kantylena, post #16930689]

Does the declared price need to match market value?

Aim for an adequate price relative to condition. Understating or overstating draws scrutiny during disputes. Recording a realistic value aligns expectations and potential remedies. Ask whether the price fits the car’s value. [Elektroda, Vytautas_YT, post #16929957]

Which contract wording matters most if this reaches court?

Clauses that the buyer knew the technical condition and accepted listed defects help. Quote: “He accepted the provisions of the contract.” Keep signed copies and defect lists attached. [Elektroda, jacek0503, post #16929992]

The buyer complained two days after delivery. Does timing decide the case?

No. Two days and 100 km support your position but do not end the matter. An appraiser might still argue the issue preexisted. Preserve handover evidence and propose a joint inspection. [Elektroda, disel567, post #16929880]

Edge case: the buyer says audio fails warm or leaks appeared later—was this masked?

It can happen. Sellers can clean leaks or top up fluids before sale, and some faults appear only warm. Inspect carefully and document temperatures and conditions during tests. [Elektroda, Kantylena, post #16930689]
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