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LG 42LB650V-ZN - no image, no backlight, there is a reaction to the remote contr

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Why does an LG 42LB650V-ZN power up in three attempts with no image, no sound, and only about 0.075 V on INV_ON, and how can the backlight be made to start?

First check the backlight LEDs/strips, but if they test OK then the fault is likely in the mainboard/control signal path rather than the PSU itself [#17066265][#17067187] A flashlight test on the screen was suggested to see whether the OSD is present faintly, which helps separate a backlight fault from a full video fault [#17068248] One practical clue was that disconnecting the Inverter ON line made the backlight start, which pointed away from the LED strips and toward the motherboard/control line [#17131706][#17486526] In the end, the LEDs were confirmed good and the board was damaged, so replacing the entire mainboard solved the problem [#17487585]
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  • #1 17066219
    zbyniek82
    Level 11  
    power supply: EAX65423701 (rev 2.0)
    MB: EAX65384004 (1.50)

    Good morning

    I would like to ask for help on TV as in the subject.

    The power supply has been checked, the voltages seem to be correct in standby mode, after switching on via the remote control or the button on the housing there is a reaction by a 3-fold attempt to start, it can also be seen on the voltages of 3,5,12,24 V reaching the mainboard. The voltages during the start disappear 3 times and appear so that they are finally constant and correct.
    The TV reacts to the remote control, i.e. it can be turned off and on again, then the sequence of 3 attempts to turn on appears again.
    The correct control signal from the board does not appear in the "Inverter ON" line, because after switching on only 0.075V appears. The signal from IC3000 (R5100GEAFB) is responsible for it, I also checked R2310 (1K) and R2309 (100) - it's ok,

    LG 42LB650V-ZN - no image, no backlight, there is a reaction to the remote contr

    I also made a reflow CPU, because I thought that IC3000 may be incorrectly controlled from the CPU - unfortunately no changes.


    I have no ideas for further diagnostics on the lack of signal from INV_CTL so that the matrix backlight appears - it is still dark and there is no sound at startup, so the start sequence probably also does not start correctly.

    I am thinking about reprogramming the memory, but I do not know if it is possible without removing it physically - is there any jtag or procedure to force programming from USB ??


    greetings
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  • #2 17066265
    GanCegall
    Level 38  
    Fix the backlight, don't go further. :-)
  • #3 17066327
    misiek3118
    Level 2  
    In my opinion, this is the fault of the inverter or the power supply.
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  • #4 17066438
    bogred
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    zbyniek82 wrote:
    The correct control signal from the board does not appear in the "Inverter ON" line, because after switching on only 0.075V appears.


    Can't force it? Yes to check the backlight?
  • #5 17066613
    zbyniek82
    Level 11  
    I was surprised by GanCegall's first comment
    there is no voltage from the LED power socket, the negative pole is missing,
    when I check positive using mass from another point, I have about 105V
    does anyone have a power supply diagram? :)
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  • #6 17066959
    GanCegall
    Level 38  
    zbyniek82 wrote:
    I have about 105V
    does anyone have a power supply diagram?

    Next to the socket is not printed how many?
  • #7 17066968
    zbyniek82
    Level 11  
    is not printed,
    I am surprised why I do not have a negative pole, next to it is the Q804 circuit, which probably does not give it, but what is it ?? I can't find the schematic for this power supply anywhere
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  • #8 17066990
    GanCegall
    Level 38  
    zbyniek82 wrote:
    is not printed,

    Interesting, everyone is on, and yours is not, take a look again :-)
  • #9 17067006
    mirex
    Level 43  
    zbyniek82 wrote:
    I wonder why I don't have a negative pole,

    And I am not surprised because you do not understand how it works and you do not want to understand it, although it is full of descriptions and diagrams.
    zbyniek82 wrote:
    next to it is the Q804 chip, which probably doesn't give it, but what is it ??

    Yeah. It's hard to read the inscriptions on the disc, it's even harder after all on such a small element. ;)
    zbyniek82 wrote:
    I can't find the schematic for this power supply anywhere

    Because there is no.
    But a little different, a little similar, to be found. You just need to be able to understand them.
    In the meantime, read about the BD9486F in the forum.
    Diagrams can be found in newer Philips PL14.x PL15, x.
    I would give, but in this case I consider it a waste of time, because it is difficult to help someone who cannot see, does not understand.
    You didn't even use the moderator's advice. It is true that you need to expand it a little, but you have your head.
    And since you haven't used the other tips on the forum about backlighting, you can't do it, you will go round and round.
    Especially if it turns out that INV_ON (and not only) actually does not exist. ;)
  • #10 17067187
    lisek
    Service technician RTV
    As kol.mirex wrote.

    Maybe start prosaically by checking the LEDs on the rulers
    Otherwise
    Quote:
    PWM LED driver: BD9486F
    MOSFET LED driver: MDD3752, 4NF20
    LED driver (backlight): integrated into PSU; 206-208V 250mA
    Power Supply (PSU): EAX65423701 (1.9) LGP3942-14PL1 P / N: 3PCR00439A
    - MAP8800 (PFC), IC101 FA6A01N (PWM resonant) / * exchange for FA5760, NR134S SOP8
    for matrix LC420DUE (FG)

    It was for example in this forum link

    Working principle ... ILed measurement (no BD system ...)

    LG 42LB650V-ZN - no image, no backlight, there is a reaction to the remote contr

    _________________________________________________________
    This is the backlight in ver.32 "
    - 3x 16LED or LED on 6V
    ** like ver. adapter on Vled = 140V
    LG 42LB650V-ZN - no image, no backlight, there is a reaction to the remote contr
    Attachments:
    • BD9488F.pdf (1.08 MB) You must be logged in to download this attachment.
  • #11 17068248
    zdzich42
    Level 41  
    You would be one of the few who has something other than LEDs damaged in this model. Well, but there are things that "physiognomes don't dream about" as Ferdinand Kiepski says. :D
    Turn on the TV, press the menu, shine the flashlight to the center of the screen, see if there are outlines of the square figures of the menu graphics.
  • #12 17068346
    GanCegall
    Level 38  
    zdzich42 wrote:
    You would be one of the few who has something other than LEDs damaged in this model.

    A fair point, in this model it is so, but maybe something has just started "falling" apart from the leds ...
  • #13 17070721
    zbyniek82
    Level 11  
    gentlemen,

    I would like to thank you from the tip. The forum is also for beginners and I am, although your tips are at a very professional level,
    As soon as I test the directions you indicate, I will let you know immediately.
    Mr. "mirex", everyone learns from their mistakes, in fact I also made a mistake here writing that there is no voltage mark, but I would ask for forgiveness for the "weak". For some, some topics are obvious, for others not, everybody starts their adventure with electronics, and criticism is also valuable! This forum is an encyclopedia that can sometimes lead astray and sometimes indicate the direction that must be taken, for which I thank everyone involved



    greetings
  • #14 17070765
    GanCegall
    Level 38  
    lisek wrote:
    As kol.mirex wrote.
    Maybe start prosaically by checking the LEDs on the rulers

    That's what Colonel Gancegall wrote early
    GanCegall wrote:
    Fix the backlight, don't go further.

    and also a respected moderator:
    bogred wrote:
    Can't force it? Yes to check the backlight?

    This is called favoring the "system" :D
  • #15 17131706
    tezewiusz
    Level 11  
    Maybe it will help: when I pull out the cable from Inverter ON (only one cable from the plug) and turn on the TV, the backlight starts. for that I have no tension on TCON heheh what would I not do.
  • #16 17486526
    tomasz79
    Level 11  
    tezewiusz wrote:
    Maybe it will help: when I pull out the cable from Inverter ON (only one cable from the plug) and turn on the TV, the backlight starts. for that I have no tension on TCON heheh what would I not do.


    A colleague is right it is not damage to the diodes, but to the motherboard.
  • #17 17487585
    zbyniek82
    Level 11  
    I confirm that the diodes were OK,
    The disc was damaged, unfortunately I did not find specific damage. I ended up replacing the entire disc

    greetings
  • #18 18433429
    GanCegall
    Level 38  
    zbyniek82 wrote:
    I ended up replacing the entire disc

    Regards

    The whole album ... and everything is clear.
    greetings too

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around troubleshooting an LG 42LB650V-ZN television that exhibits no image or backlight despite responding to the remote control. The power supply (EAX65423701) and mainboard (EAX65384004) voltages appear correct during standby and initial power attempts, but the "Inverter ON" signal is insufficient. Participants suggest checking the backlight and inverter, with some indicating potential issues with the motherboard or LED diodes. One user notes that disconnecting the "Inverter ON" cable allows the backlight to activate, hinting at a fault in the inverter circuit. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding circuit diagrams and troubleshooting techniques in electronics repair.
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FAQ

TL;DR: LED driver spec is 206–208 V at 250 mA; "Maybe start prosaically by checking the LEDs on the rulers." For LG 42LB650V no-image/no-backlight faults, prioritize backlight and INV_ON checks. [Elektroda, lisek, post #17067187]

Why it matters: This FAQ helps DIY repairers and bench techs quickly isolate backlight vs. mainboard causes on LG LB650V-series TVs.

Quick Facts

How do I diagnose an LG 42LB650V that has no image and no backlight but responds to the remote?

Confirm the startup pattern. Many sets attempt to power three times, then rails stabilize. Measure 3.5 V/12 V/24 V to mainboard. Check INV_ON at the PSU; ~0.075 V indicates backlight not enabled. The TV may still react to the remote. This points toward backlight enable or mainboard control. [Elektroda, zbyniek82, post #17066219]

What backlight power specs and chips are on EAX65423701 (LGP3942-14PL1)?

The integrated LED driver outputs about 206–208 V at 250 mA for panel LC420DUE. Control is via BD9486F with MOSFETs MDD3752 and 4NF20. The PSU uses MAP8800 for PFC and FA6A01N for resonant PWM. These details guide safe measurements and parts sourcing. [Elektroda, lisek, post #17067187]

Why does the LED connector seem to have no negative pole?

The LED return is a controlled current sink, not a fixed chassis ground. Measuring LED+ to chassis can mislead. Reference LED- pins when checking VLED. Study BD9486F topologies for how the driver switches the return path. "You need to be able to understand them." [Elektroda, mirex, post #17067006]

How can I check if the TV has an image without backlight?

Turn on the TV, press Menu, and shine a bright flashlight at the screen center. Look for faint menu shapes. If you see graphics, the video path works and the fault is in the backlight chain or its enable. [Elektroda, zdzich42, post #17068248]

Can I force the backlight to test the LED strips?

Yes, for diagnosis only:
  1. Unplug AC. Remove only the INV_ON wire from the PSU connector.
  2. Power on. The backlight should light if strips and driver are healthy.
  3. Expect no T-CON voltage in this forced state. Use caution to avoid damage. [Elektroda, tezewiusz, post #17131706]

Are failed LED strips the usual cause on this model?

Yes, technicians report LEDs as the common failure. A user noted, "You would be one of the few who has something other than LEDs damaged." Verify with a flashlight test and, if possible, strip testing. [Elektroda, zdzich42, post #17068248]

When should I suspect the mainboard instead of the backlight?

If LED strips test OK and INV_ON stays low, suspect the mainboard control. In this case, replacing the mainboard resolved the issue decisively. This aligns with a no-enable condition from the mainboard. [Elektroda, zbyniek82, post #17487585]

Should I try CPU reflowing or USB/JTAG firmware to restore backlight?

Avoid it as a first step. CPU reflow did not change behavior in this case. The thread focused on backlight enable and hardware faults, not firmware. Address LEDs, PSU, and INV_ON control first. [Elektroda, zbyniek82, post #17066219]

What does the TV's three startup attempts indicate?

The PSU rails pulse during three start attempts, then stabilize. This behavior aligns with protection and enable sequencing. With INV_ON low, the backlight remains off despite stable rails. Check INV_ON state during these attempts. [Elektroda, zbyniek82, post #17066219]

What generates the INV_ON signal in this set?

INV_ON originates on the mainboard from IC3000 (R5100GEAFB) through resistors R2310 (1 kΩ) and R2309 (100 Ω). Seeing about 0.075 V at INV_ON means the backlight is not enabled. Trace that path when diagnosing. [Elektroda, zbyniek82, post #17066219]

What LED voltage and current should I expect when backlight is enabled?

Expect approximately 206–208 V at up to 250 mA from the integrated LED driver. Measure across LED+ and LED- with the set enabled. This is the specified output for the LC420DUE-based 42-inch variant. [Elektroda, lisek, post #17067187]

What should I try first when troubleshooting this symptom?

"Maybe start prosaically by checking the LEDs on the rulers." Verify strips, then INV_ON, then PSU outputs. This sequence isolates the common failures fastest. Keep measurements referenced correctly to LED- returns. [Elektroda, lisek, post #17067187]

Does this guidance also apply to 32-inch versions of this chassis?

Yes, with different LED specs. The 32-inch version uses three strings of 16 LEDs, with an adapter VLED around 140 V. Component references and enable logic remain similar, so steps still help. [Elektroda, lisek, post #17067187]

Is an official schematic available for EAX65423701?

No exact LG schematic was shared. Use similar topologies and BD9486F documentation. Comparable designs appear in Philips PL14.x and PL15.x chassis. This helps understand INV_ON and LED return control. [Elektroda, mirex, post #17067006]
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