Norax 3 Photovoltaics: Is 3kW Installation & Energy Meter Suitable for Donated Energy?

Rather, you will pay a fine when they see that you give energy without permission and you will not feel like whole panels .. The more that everything is visible in this meter.

shrek565 wrote:

czaczus22 wrote:

At the G11 tariff
1.8.0 the amount you have downloaded from the PGE network
2.8.0 amount of energy transferred to PGE

From the count of 2.8.0 you subtract 20% for PGE.
Then it comes out how much energy you have clean.
From the production of energy, you subtract the consumption of 1.8.0 and you get how much energy you have to collect in the winter.
Until puk you do not have a contract for prosumers, you pay according to the old contract. Only after signing a new contract, for example, the overpayment is returned.

Well, it is obvious to me.
So if I do not have a contract, I can use the FV and what I give to the network will be lost at most, but I will be a plus from what I will produce and use during the day for my own use until I sign the contract?

You will not lose the kilowatts you produce.

Because later you can pick them up in the winter, but 20 less.
I currently have an old contract, I do not have a new contract because of the virus, everything is sluggish.
Although I have a new meter, I have to pay forecast invoices for the disassembled meter.
I called PGE, asked what and how.
I have to wait for the new contract, then I will get the settlement of the old meter ..
Until a new contract is signed, the old one is valid.

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If photovoltaic installation is reported to PGE,
and there is a 2-way meter, you can easily produce electricity.

I have an energe at the moment
I'm already crazy myself and I don't know what to do

Installation reported from two weeks ago.
And from the very beginning as I live the counter in the box outside is the same bidirectional object.
I don't know whether to wait for them to come and replace them or what to do ....

[quote = "shrek565"] I have one at energe
I'm already crazy myself and I don't know what to do

Installation reported from two weeks ago.
And from the very beginning as I live the counter in the box outside is the same bidirectional object.
I don't know whether to wait for them to come and replace them or what to do .... [/ quote

You may have 2-way, but it's probably only programmed for 1-way
and then your inverter will count as receiver and not manufacturer.

In my case, when I called asking when the new meter will be, PGE has a month to change or reprogram the meter.

Well just no. The counter counts in both directions. Does not add 1.8.0 to obis
I explained everything earlier in the post

shrek565 wrote:

I have the same problem and I don't know what to do.
When starting the installation, the counter at position 1.8.0. if 1.8.1 (3866.3) stops punching despite running washing machine, heat pump and dishwasher.
At position 2.8.0 or 2.8.1, he starts punching the kilowatts supplied to the net (11.5).
And in item 1.5.8.0 it sums up the energy taken from the grid plus the energy given to the grid (3,877.8).
With Energi there is still no message that the received instance, although everything works as if the meter was already reprogrammed to receive energy. I'm in despair too, and I don't know whether to run or not .......
I have real settlements turned on and I always enter the status on the page from 1.8.0, which means that it would not reach this status ...
below photos

piwalek77 wrote:

Hello,
Today the installation of PV on my roof has been completed. The application to the ZE will be next week, and they are supposed to have a month to respond ... In addition, with the current development of the coronavirus, it may be even longer! Therefore, I feel sorry for the installation, which has to wait so long for it to start working on itself ...

And here I have a question about the meter and its settings - it turns out that I already have a two-way meter (Norax3) installed, so theoretically I could return energy to the ZE right away. Of course, I will not be able to settle any surpluses until the contract is signed, but maybe at least I can use the generated energy on an ongoing basis? On the other hand, I am worried if the switched on installation will have the opposite effect - and it will not start to "punch" the meter ...

So I did a little test and checked the OBIS codes:
1.8.0 Imported active energy A +, sum => 21536
2.8.0 Exported active energy A-, sum => 4
15.8.0 Imported active energy | A |, sum => 21540

So it looks like everything is working fine, but now I don't know if:
- 2.8.0 shows the surplus itself or the total energy given away (everything I produced)?
- what is the absolute reading 15.8.0 used for? - i.e.
- what is the risk of leaving the installation on?

My question boils down to the following example:
If I use 5kW at a given moment and at the same time give away (produce) 2kW - will the reading of the consumed energy (1.8.0) be 5kWh or 3kWh?

Best regards!

From what I see, it is a 1-way counter and it must be replaced.

These photos, what I put in, is a 2-way counter.

czaczus22 wrote:

These photos, what I put in, is a 2-way counter.

I have the one from the first photo and unfortunately it is unidirectional. In total, it shows the direction of energy (transferred-consumed), but still counts to the input. So it probably all depends on how they program it.

Unfortunately, the Corax 3, despite being bidirectional, is not suitable for PV. This is the position of PGE (I talked about) now they assume a new one with the module. As for this super-intelligent meter that counts direct consumption, I had a conversation with Apator's service (producer) and they said that it counts "absolute value" or something like that and the meter will not stand still when the panels are working. Maybe it's programmed that. Starting PV installations is pointless because I gain nothing and the energy company earns. All that's left is to wait for the favor of PGE.

Somehow it worked after acquaintance and after 5 days they set up a counter. In fact, they dismantled it and it's new. Do I have to arrange any papers now with the operator?

If it is OSD Tauron, it is nothing to use, only ask for a certificate of assembly, needed for the application "my current"

After all, you can see the Energa Operator sticker in the photo.

czaczus22 wrote:

derekk wrote:

Hello.
At PGE, I have a Corax 3 meter and I am waiting for a replacement due to the installation of PV panels. They should replace 04/04/2020 but the meter is in the room so they won't come and I can jump them. I wanted to use the installation without overproducing energy only for direct consumption, this is allowed by the Fronius inverter. Unfortunately, this meter is super intelligent and, despite the lack of overproduction, it counts direct consumption as if I were downloading from the network. How is it possible ??

The panels must not be operated without a bidirectional counter
Normal PGE meter It treats the solar inverter as a load and not as an electricity producer.

Well, see, and my three-phase C52z from PAFAL before the replacement did not want to treat the inverter as a receiver if you know what I mean
But that's right, it's not worth putting your PV plant in operation before replacing the meter.


greeting
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Wbm.

Hello
I have NORAX 3 and I'm not complaining, it measures in both directions rather correctly. [G12 tariff]
It was replaced a year before the PV, but after the installation was installed, they came and reprogrammed it. [I stayed at the G12]
These meters count internally and record data in both directions, but may possibly add up the energy input as consumed before being reprogrammed. I heard that some of them had reprogrammed values on the energy abacus.
It seems to me that the counter is ok - maybe there is still a question of what operator will program it.

Codes
Downloaded: SUM- 1.8.0, WT- 1.8.1, NT- 1.8.2
Given: SUM- 2.8.0, WT- 2.8.1, NT- 2.8.2
Instantaneous charged 1.7.0
Instantaneous delivery 2.7.0
Max absorbed power 1.6.0
Max output power 2.6.0
It shows the voltages and amps on each phase.

For me, there is interfacial - vector balancing, so what to pick on. The only thing that may not be counted so precisely (but apparently all of them do) - rather to the disadvantage of the consumer ... yes from my observations - but probably within the error - only always in their favor hehe. (e.g. with 5kW output, it can lose about 100W - either I have losses somewhere, or the inverter shows the 100W more)
[that is, the inverter shows 5000W and the meter shows ~~ 4900W - a questionable matter or a measurement error] - these are my observations.

What is the new OTUS3 - hmmmm - I have mixed feelings - remote reading is not everything ... because it has, for example:
- Built-in contactor that allows remote disconnection / switching current circuits
- Power limiter with local control or DSM / DSR signals
- Remote replacement of non-measurement software

What can they use it for? - I think they have some plan for it.
I do not mind the collector every six months - only that they probably want to take readings and control very often - how much do you do when, how much do you use, what power you take at given moments. It's ok for now, but who knows what will happen in some time, if everything will be under control.

I can be wrong on some things - but these are just my feelings.
I greet everyone

czaczus22 wrote:

Hello. I have an exclamation mark in a triangle, in the Norax 3 bidirectional counter, what? He marks. Nowhere to find this marking, what kind of error it is.

This is the terminal box cover open alarm. This means that the cover was opened since the last deletion or it does not fit well and jumped off itself (there is a pin that should fit well when it stretches somewhere, then it is like that later). In fact, the installer should check it before closing the replacement order.

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and_you wrote:

What is the new OTUS3 - hmmmm - I have mixed feelings - remote reading is not everything ... because it has, for example:
- Built-in contactor allowing for remote disconnection / connection of current paths
- Power limiter with local control or DSM / DSR signals
- Remote replacement of non-measurement software

The built-in contactor is for remote disconnection if you do not pay the invoice.
The power limiter is to block you from getting more power than contractual
Remote software replacement is simply an update of the OTUS 3 meter software, it is such a small computer that has great possibilities.

Good morning!
Well, now I think I'm going to bend everyone's mind...
Hybrid photovoltaic installation, power source switches, 100% inverter output not connected to the grid.

The Apator Norax 3 - 2.8.0. meter indicates 32 kWh of energy given up - unfortunately I don't know if this has changed since the installation was installed, I just checked it now.

Is everything according to you correct?

Greetings,
Damian

Most of the information and posts are from the times of net-metering.

The question is as follows - how can I most assuredly check whether the Norax 3 counter has been programmed correctly for bidirectionality?
I.e. - what is the best way to check (switching off power receivers is not an option) whether the power output from photovoltaics is not counted as consumption?

This counter is not programmed for bi-directionality - by default, it is manufactured in such a way that it can count supply and consumption. It all depends on which registers are read by the collector and settled by the DSO.

bakupl wrote:

I.e. - what is the best way to check (switching off power receivers is not an option) whether the power output from photovoltaics is not counted as consumption?

1.8.0 active energy consumed
2.8.0 active energy released

If you don`t have 2.8.0, it means that donating counts as conscription.

I had NORAX 3 and a test run on-grid: the transfer was counted as a consumption. I did not have the 2.8.0 code on the display

After reporting the micro-installation to Tauron, I had the meter replaced with one with a SIM card.
Norax 3 doesn`t seem to have remote reading capabilities.

bakupl wrote:

The question is as follows - how can I most definitely check the correct programming of the Norax 3 meter for bidirectionality? That is, what is the best way to check (switching off power consumers is not an option) whether the power output from photovoltaics is not charged as a consumption?

Check and compare registers:

• 15.8.0 - total power counted by the counter (in both directions)
  1.8.0
  2.8.0

There are registers 2.8.0 and they are counted.
Production is not included until 1.8.0

15.8.0 - is the sum - and that's how it should be, but the clue is here: It depends on which registers are read.
I think someone knows that it is supposed to read 1.8.0.

Despite this, the installation is disabled for fear of being penalized.

That's right - Norax 3 does not have a remote reading option

Most meters have the capability of measuring power on both directions. But unless specifically programmed for that purpose, they will measure everything as consumption.

You can measure that. Run your solar for one hour with everything off and see what register on the meter change. That simple.

Also, unless you have a solar array capable of feeding your loads 100% of the time, you probably want to take advantage of netmetering. Under netmetering the supplier calculates how much was exported and imported and bills the difference. In Poland a period of one hour is used. The meter is still measuring consumption and export - These calculations are conducted by tauron and they require a suitable meter that provides remote readings with time stamps. The supplier will then make an adjustmet, which is on your favour.

In Summary, unless you want to go off-grid get someone to sign the papers and register the instalation. The network operator will then change your meter and you'll have everything registered and legal.

bakupl wrote:

That's right - Norax 3 doesn't have a remote read option

Is a colleague sure about this word -.-- " agrees "?
I have had this meter since 2020 and never in 4 years has there been a collector or anyone from PGE.... AND I can download from the PGE website my data every 5 minutes...
Interesting....

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