Norax 3 Photovoltaics: Is 3kW Installation & Energy Meter Suitable for Donated Energy?

Hello, since yesterday I have installed a 3kW photovoltaic installation. The energy meter is norax3 photo in the attachment. Does this meter measure donated energy ??

This is a two-way meter, it measures the energy exported.

prose wrote:

This is a two-way meter, it measures the energy exported.

So there will be even more dairy products with the inverter?

He won't punch any more. What you use in a phase will be 1 to 1, the rest you will send as a buffer

It can also be programmed as one-way, I would do a test.

Anyone has instructions for code description
15.8.0. 1
15.8.1.1
15.8.2.1
15.8.3.1
15.6.0
15.6.0.1
1.8.0
1.8.1
1.8.2
1.8.3
2.8.0
2.8.1
2.8.2
2.8.3
1.7.0
15.7.0
There is no schedule for these codes.

Added after 15 [minutes]:

prose wrote:

He won't punch any more. What you use in a phase will be 1 to 1, the rest you will send as a buffer

And does the buffer also count separately?

Here are the OBIS codes

2.8.0 however, measures in the other direction but this is a separate scale.

klexus wrote:

Hello, since yesterday I have installed a 3kW photovoltaic installation. The energy meter is norax3 photo in the attachment. Does this meter measure donated energy ??

Do you have a contract for energy donation?

I would be careful with this meter and energy return, because depending on how it is programmed, it will count in the case of bidirectional: downloaded 1.8.0 and returned 2.8.0, and in the case of unidirectional 2.8.0 given, and under 1.8.0 given and collected it will sum ...

EDIT: To the author of the post. Tauron will rather put you on a different meter, LandisGyr for me.

kj1 wrote:

Do you have a contract for energy donation?

This is where you need to start. Does the grid operator know at all that you have a PV plant and you intend to feed energy into the grid?
Norax 3 allows bidirectional measurement, but what if the installation is not reported.

Hello, what do you need to install to this meter to be able to access it via the Internet

You must have an electricity meter with a GPRS module that sends statistics to the EV. Unfortunately, the Noraxas do not support it and, for example, Energa, with the stubbornness of a maniac, installs such miracles for all prosumers. And then once a month the collector comes and writes down. In my 5-year career, I had a GPRS counter twice and now I got this crap.

marcinbbb wrote:

You must have an electricity meter with a GPRS module that sends statistics to the EV. Unfortunately, the Noraxas do not support it and, for example, Energa, with the stubbornness of a maniac, installs such miracles for all prosumers. And then once a month the collector comes and writes down. In my 5-year career, I had a GPRS counter twice and now I got this crap.

I do not agree with my friend - Energa installed OTUS 3 for me 10 days ago. I do not have an annex to the comprehensive agreement signed yet, and I already have access to https://mojlicznik.energa-operator.pl and I can see all indications. When setting up an account, I gave the number of PPE (this does not change) and the number of the meter (new from the replacement protocol left by the installer).

You know, at the beginning they also installed EMU 3 and guns, then it stopped sending voltage to L1, they came, dismantled and left it to crap. I contacted Energa and they informed me that at the moment there are no meters with remote reading. As you can see, you have succeeded.

Well, it's a shame when I just got a new Norax meter, it's a shame to go to them because they probably won't change to a second meter with Internet access

Does the Norax 3 counter (pge mounted) allow for interphase vector balancing and can this be verified?

Good morning everyone.
I will stick to the topic, because I also have a NORAX 3 meter installed - unfortunately in the field of energy, I am a layman and I would ask you for answers to my questions (surely more people who do not know each other like me will use your knowledge )
The situation is as follows
The contract signed with ENERGA, I am a prosumer.
Meter installed: APATOR NORAX 3
Information from the inverter about the energy produced E-total (kWh): 139.6
Information read from the meter
1.8.0 = 267.9
1.8.1 = 267.9
1.8.2 = 0.0
2.8.0 = 90.8
2.8.1 = 90.8
2.8.2 = 0.0

Question 1:
Do I understand correctly that the meter shows ONLY 90.8kW of energy produced because I used the remaining energy before it went to the grid? (i.e. if the inverter produces 3kW at a given moment, I use 2kW at home, then 1kW goes to the meter at position 2.8.0? - of course I illustrate this in such a simplification)

Question 2:
Do I count correctly (simplified of course) from the above data that in the period for which I provided the above meter reading, I actually used electricity:
267.9 (numerator) + (139.6 (produced) - 90.9 (delivered_do_energa)) = 267.9 + 48.8 = 316.7kW = total consumption by the household

The bill that I will pay for this period will be (simplify and I do not include fixed fees, etc., it is about the basis for calculating)
267.9kW * price
and in the ENERGA buffer I will have 90.8kW?
WHETHER
267.9-90.8 = 177.1 * price?

The installation has been working for me for a month, due to the fact that I have become a prosumer, I cannot settle accounts according to "actual settlement" and provide the meter reading every month, from the information obtained from Energa (most likely) every 2 months the collector will write down the meter reading and it will be sent to me, the invoice is like modernity, and the service at Energa like 30 years ago ...

best wishes
Peter

Q1:
You could use the rest as you want to calculate how much to read from the inverter and subtract.
question2:
Yes.
question3:
267.9- (90.8 * 0.8) = 195.26 * price + fixed charges.

Energa, unfortunately, will rather visit you once a month to write down the meter.
Unfortunately, I also have norax and it is a product when meters should not be made, even the backlight diode is not from this side ...

Hello
I started the PV installation and PGE replaced the meter with a bi-directional NORAX 3. I have a G11 tariff.
I have a question, I checked the OBIS codes programmed on the meter installed at my place.
For example, I have 5.8.0, 6.8.0, 7.8.0, 9.8.0, 1.6.0, 1.8.1 and 2.6.0 (I do not include these for dates etc.). I was surprised that I do not have the code 1.8.0 or any in the range 2.8.0 - 2.8.3.
In this case, how can I check how much I have used and how much have I returned EE?
I will add that I have a Solax x3-4.0-t Inverter but it shows the EE produced and sent to the network, unfortunately I do not have information about the energy consumed.
Is this installation OK?

Hello,
Today the installation of PV on my roof has been completed. The application to the ZE will be next week, and they are supposed to have a month to respond ... In addition, with the current development of the coronavirus, it may be even longer! Therefore, I feel sorry for the installation, which has to wait so long for it to start working on itself ...

And here I have a question about the meter and its settings - it turns out that I already have a two-way meter (Norax3) installed, so theoretically I could return energy to the ZE right away. Of course, I will not be able to settle any surpluses until the contract is signed, but maybe at least I can use the generated energy on an ongoing basis? On the other hand, I am worried if the switched on installation will have the opposite effect - and it will not start to "punch" the meter ...

So I did a little test and checked the OBIS codes:
1.8.0 Imported active energy A +, sum => 21536
2.8.0 Exported active energy A-, sum => 4
15.8.0 Imported active energy | A |, sum => 21540

So it looks like everything is working fine, but now I don't know if:
- 2.8.0 shows the surplus itself or the total energy given away (everything I produced)?
- what is the absolute reading 15.8.0 used for? - i.e.
- what is the risk of leaving the installation on?

My question boils down to the following example:
If I use 5kW at a given moment and at the same time give away (produce) 2kW - will the reading of the consumed energy (1.8.0) be 5kWh or 3kWh?

Best regards!

Hello. I have an exclamation mark in a triangle, in the Norax 3 bidirectional counter, which? He marks. Nowhere to find this marking, what kind of error it is.

Hello.
At PGE, I have a Corax 3 meter and I am waiting for a replacement due to the installation of PV panels. They should replace 04/04/2020 but the meter is in the room so they won't come and I can jump them. I wanted to use the installation without overproducing energy only for direct consumption, this is allowed by the Fronius inverter. Unfortunately, this meter is super intelligent and, despite the lack of overproduction, it counts direct consumption as if I were downloading from the network. How is it possible ??

Impossible, if you think that there is no overproduction, nothing is sent and nothing is sent, even a super intelligent meter cannot count it, unless you have a 1-phase inverter and you are currently downloading not from the phase on which it is working

derekk wrote:

Hello.
At PGE, I have a Corax 3 meter and I am waiting for a replacement due to the installation of PV panels. They should replace 04/04/2020 but the meter is in the room so they won't come and I can jump them. I wanted to use the installation without overproducing energy only for direct consumption, this is allowed by the Fronius inverter. Unfortunately, this meter is super intelligent and, despite the lack of overproduction, it counts direct consumption as if I were downloading from the network. How is it possible ??

The panels must not be operated without a bidirectional counter
Normal PGE meter It treats the solar inverter as a load and not as an electricity producer.

I have the same problem and I don't know what to do.
When starting the installation, the counter at position 1.8.0. if 1.8.1 (3866.3) stops punching despite running washing machine, heat pump and dishwasher.
At position 2.8.0 or 2.8.1, he starts punching the kilowatts supplied to the net (11.5).
And in item 1.5.8.0 it sums up the energy taken from the grid plus the energy given to the grid (3,877.8).
With Energi there is still no message that the received instance, although everything works as if the meter was already reprogrammed to receive energy. I'm in despair too, and I don't know whether to run or not .......
I have real settlements turned on and I always enter the status on the page from 1.8.0, which means that it would not reach this status ...
below photos

piwalek77 wrote:

Hello,
Today the installation of PV on my roof has been completed. The application to the ZE will be next week, and they are supposed to have a month to respond ... In addition, with the current development of the coronavirus, it may be even longer! Therefore, I feel sorry for the installation, which has to wait so long for it to start working on itself ...

And here I have a question about the meter and its settings - it turns out that I already have a two-way meter (Norax3) installed, so theoretically I could return energy to the ZE right away. Of course, I will not be able to settle any surpluses until the contract is signed, but maybe at least I can use the generated energy on an ongoing basis? On the other hand, I am worried if the switched on installation will have the opposite effect - and it will not start to "punch" the meter ...

So I did a little test and checked the OBIS codes:
1.8.0 Imported active energy A +, sum => 21536
2.8.0 Exported active energy A-, sum => 4
15.8.0 Imported active energy | A |, sum => 21540

So it looks like everything is working fine, but now I don't know if:
- 2.8.0 shows the surplus itself or the total energy given away (everything I produced)?
- what is the absolute reading 15.8.0 used for? - i.e.
- what is the risk of leaving the installation on?

My question boils down to the following example:
If I use 5kW at a given moment and at the same time give away (produce) 2kW - will the reading of the consumed energy (1.8.0) be 5kWh or 3kWh?

Best regards!

if the settlement was from 1.8.0 then ok it would be saving, but if from 1.5.8.0?

and about "My question boils down to the following example:
If at a given moment I am using 5kW and at the same time I give (produce) 2kW - will the reading of the consumed energy (1.8.0) be 5kWh or 3kWh? "
If there were phase-to-phase balancing, 1.8.0) would register 3kWh

[quote = "theo33"] if the settlement was from 1.8.0 then ok, it would be saving, but if from 1.5.8.0?

and about "My question boils down to the following example:
If at a given moment I am using 5kW and at the same time I give (produce) 2kW - will the reading of the consumed energy (1.8.0) be 5kWh or 3kWh? "
If there were phase-to-phase balancing, 1.8.0) would register 3kWh [/ quote

Hi, you use the energy from the panels on an ongoing basis and give the surplus to the network

At the G11 tariff
1.8.0 the amount you have downloaded from the PGE network
2.8.0 amount of energy transferred to PGE

From the count of 2.8.0 you subtract 20% for PGE.
Then it comes out how much energy you have clean.
From the production of energy, you subtract the consumption of 1.8.0 and you get how much energy you have to collect in the winter.
Until puk you do not have a contract for prosumers, you pay according to the old contract. Only after signing a new contract, for example, the overpayment is returned.

czaczus22 wrote:

At the G11 tariff
1.8.0 the amount you have downloaded from the PGE network
2.8.0 amount of energy transferred to PGE

From the count of 2.8.0 you subtract 20% for PGE.
Then it comes out how much energy you have clean.
From the production of energy, you subtract the consumption of 1.8.0 and you get how much energy you have to collect in the winter.
Until puk you do not have a contract for prosumers, you pay according to the old contract. Only after signing a new contract, for example, the overpayment is returned.

Well, it is obvious to me.
So if I do not have a contract, I can use the FV and what I give to the network will be lost at most, but I will be a plus from what I will produce and use during the day for my own use until I sign the contract?