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Soda-blasting. - What is better sandblasting or soda blasting?

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  • #1 17201497
    filip2431
    Level 3  
    Hello.

    I am wondering about my own company, but I don't know if it will come to fruition or just stay in my head.
    But to the point. There is supposedly this innovative technology from Soda Blast Systems, which uses baking soda as an abrasive, but it is said that these machines can also be cleaned with other abrasives. From what I have read, it is ecological, innovative and patented as well as modern and 3 times faster than sandblasting and does not cause any pneumoconiosis, but I do not know if it really is because I have never dealt with something like this. As it is more about sandblasting, how my father took me to one plant that deals with moped frames or rims from motorbikes, etc.

    Regards and I am asking for help.
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  • #3 17201719
    filip2431
    Level 3  
    Thank you for the article because I know a little more thanks to him. I mean one that will be a good start. I have read and I have a question, because I do not know much about chemistry, is baking soda the same as caustic soda or baking soda in large amounts when it comes to soda blast systems technology is toxic to humans or if I poured water from a watering can on such soda and if I stood in it or put my bare hand on it, would something happen to me?
    Greetings.
  • #4 17201776
    Dra98
    Moderator of Computers service
    filip2431 wrote:
    is baking soda the same as caustic soda

    Not.

    filip2431 wrote:
    If I poured water from a watering can over such soda and stood in it or put my bare hand on it, something would happen to me?

    Not. Baking soda, sodium bicarbonate is food safe, safe. You can whiten your teeth with it.
    Simply soda blasting requires an investment in equipment. It is not that simple, that's why I posted the link, as many got discouraged.
  • #5 17201824
    filip2431
    Level 3  
    Only that baking soda in sachets are grams, and when there is soda, there is a greater amount in kilograms, so there is a much higher concentration.

    Added after 59 [minutes]:

    Besides, I mean whether what they write is true, because I don't believe it too much.
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  • #6 17203211
    dotlen
    Level 11  
    There is a lot of companies that use soda ash and you just need to google and search for one in your area that will do you soda. They praise themselves with what equipment they work with.

    I do not know why you would not believe the sodablastsystems technology, thanks to which so many companies offering soda ash have been established and have been operating in Poland for almost 10 years. Can you give any sensible arguments?

    You wash your clothes in baking soda every day (baking soda is = washing powder) and you wonder?
  • #7 17207153
    lukas_2005
    Level 11  
    I'm working on a Soda blast.
    Generally no revelation. Soda can't cope with rust, the machine itself is incredibly expensive, and this is typically American marketing. Soda is about 10 times more expensive than sand. Polish machines are much cheaper and less complicated.
  • #8 17207193
    dotlen
    Level 11  
    If you had such a machine, you would know the difference to Polish sandblasters, and not write about not removing rust or complicated construction ...
  • #9 17207316
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
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  • #10 17208899
    lukas_2005
    Level 11  
    3 x faster is also a fairy tale. Filip, write to the representative and ask him what it is technically about 3 times faster. We did tree trials and sand gives better results. Another thing is that not all types of wood can be cleaned successfully, regardless of abrasive or nozzle pressure.
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  • #11 17217776
    filip2431
    Level 3  
    lukas_2005 wrote:
    I'm working on a Soda blast.
    Generally no revelation. Soda can't cope with rust, the machine itself is incredibly expensive, and this is typically American marketing. Soda is about 10 times more expensive than sand. Polish machines are much cheaper and less complicated.


    But there is some "strong method" that won't remove the rust?

    Added after 19 [minutes]:

    ray_bones wrote:
    'Soda blasting' differs from 'sandblasting' in that you use different types of abrasives that have their advantages and disadvantages, some overwhelming the other and vice versa, depending on the application.

    Quote:
    it does not cause any pneumoconiosis
    Which doesn't mean you can 'soda' without filtering the inhaled air like you would with any other abrasive blasting process.

    First of all, soda is soft, i.e. 2.5 in Mohs hardness scale where sand, steel shot, cut wire, aluminum oxide, copper slag etc. is 6-9 on this scale (maximum 10 is diamond). The softness of soda is an advantage only when, for example, removing paint from wood, plastics or an uncorroded car. For aggressive rust, you need an aggressive / sharp and hard abrasive. Certainly the advantage is that you can dry dust under a cloud, which cannot be done with quartz sand.

    The main disadvantage of soda is its solubility in the water contained in the compressed air. Hence the need for better air drying and a different structure of the blast machine tank compared to classic sandblasters. The main difference is the jet pump inside the blast machine instead of the dosing valve and that's all this sophisticated technology. All this to eliminate the disadvantages of the sticking abrasive, not to improve the cleaning process ...

    Moreover, the abrasive is expensive and cannot be reused :D . It has its advantages which in some applications outweigh the disadvantages. However, in most applications, this is a fad with no economic justification. It will certainly work for cleaning old hovels from the state budget, etc. where the client does not care much about money and the technology from the USA sounds fascinating.

    Is it three times more efficient than sandblasting, according to the lobbyists of this method? Compared to a vacuum gun / small vacuum booth, probably yes. Comparing to shot blasting or 'sandblasting' of steel with alumina with recirculation of the abrasive, it is only a substitute for high-performance abrasive blasting.

    In general, the Polish representative of the above-mentioned products The company praises the advantages to the heavens, writes about patents (for what, maybe a trademark) and three times greater efficiency compared to unknown what. It does not say anything about the disadvantages of which there are more than advantages that can be read on the web, reaching for sources other than equipment manufacturers / sellers ...

    filip2431 Being green in the industry, you won't do much by reading just advertising slogans.


    I don't mean that I don't know myself, I will do it anyway. I prefer to take a painter-sandblaster course and then think more about it. I'm not that I have done a few sandblasting times and I already know everything. But thank you anyway for explaining the differences and I know that it will be better to do this treatment with sand than with soda. Besides, it is not like I read on page soda blast systems and I am happy, in a sense the content of this page has enriched my knowledge about soda, however, as I wrote above in my other post on this topic, that "I do not really believe in it "and there is also the fact that I also read other forums where there are topics about sandblasting to have some idea about it, not that I only read about soda blast and that's enough for me.

    Greetings.
  • #12 17218914
    lukas_2005
    Level 11  
    filip2431 wrote:
    I don't mean that I don't know myself, I will do it anyway. I prefer to take a painter-sandblaster course and then think more about it. I'm not that I have done a few sandblasting times and I already know everything. But thank you anyway for explaining the differences and I know that it will be better to do this treatment with sand than with soda. Besides, it is not like I read on page soda blast systems and I am happy, in a sense the content of this page has enriched my knowledge about soda, however, as I wrote above in my other post on this topic, that "I do not really believe in it "and there is also the fact that I also read other forums where there are topics about sandblasting to have some idea about it, not that I only read about soda blast and that's enough for me.

    Greetings.

    Hello. I think that from the course itself, it will be better to find employment in a sandblasting company. There you will learn a lot more, e.g. how to evaluate work, how to minimize costs, how to talk to the client, watch experienced employees. After completing the cooperation, you will have the paper that you worked as a sandblaster. If you can, give me links to these sandblasting sites, I'd love to read it.
    Greetings.
  • #13 17218966
    filip2431
    Level 3  
    Only it can be a little hard to find a job with a sandblaster somewhere. There are two such plants in the area, as it seems, and one is probably a one-person company.
  • #14 17218978
    dotlen
    Level 11  
    If someone hires you, they'll put the hose in your hand and make you wave. No sandblaster is familiar with how to estimate or cost a job. Especially in larger companies, where there is still a chance for some learning.

    You will lose someone a year or two to gain experience and you will not learn anything, then you will spend the next years trying to make forks out of a needle based on a homemade sandblaster.

    I admire you how you plan to waste time when the effect is known in advance .....
  • #15 17218982
    filip2431
    Level 3  
    I will get a license and then maybe I can find a sandblasting job.
  • #16 17219054
    lukas_2005
    Level 11  
    Dude, you're a pessimist. It is better to start investing in equipment, advertising, abrasives. The first customers will come and the item will be damaged, they won't fly and will vegetate until experience is gained?
    I know very well what the courses and trainings look like. Just collect money from rabble and stuff a theory into them.
  • #17 17219133
    filip2431
    Level 3  
    Only then, whether in an advertisement or during an interview, they may ask if you have the right or qualifications to perform such work.
  • #18 17220754
    lukas_2005
    Level 11  
    filip2431 wrote:
    only that then, whether in an advertisement or during an interview, they may ask if you have the right or qualifications to perform such work.


    It is different with this, it depends on the employer. I was accepted by my employer despite the lack of papers and experience, and 3 weeks later I was sandblasting an item worth 2 million. I also had the opportunity to work on an automatic shot blasting machine, and they did not require papers either.
  • #19 17220938
    filip2431
    Level 3  
    I prefer to make papers, if necessary.
  • #20 17242289
    filip2431
    Level 3  
  • #21 17495413
    lukas_2005
    Level 11  
    Hello Philip. Did you start with the company or did you stop at the idea?
  • #22 17744352
    robertfrf
    Level 1  
    I have never dealt with a surface renovation. I did my qualifications from scratch at sodablastsystems.pl/. My father led me to the investment. He subsidized me, luckily I didn't have to take a loan. After the technical school, I entered the topic of self-employment. I take jobs locally and I certainly don't work for minimum wage and I don't worry. The machine is very, and it is very universal, and I have not learned or used even half of its capabilities. So far, nothing is happening in terms of service. Besides, they give the whole business idea, no fake. The fact that you have an entry barrier, because you have to have free funds, to risk a little. If you have any back, when I had a technical father, this education can be started. Soda blasting has a future with confidence and extremely efficient wipers. Totally safe.
  • #23 18209019
    filip2431
    Level 3  
    But you will get the sand back and the soda will not.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the comparison between soda blasting and sandblasting, focusing on the technology offered by Soda Blast Systems. Users express curiosity about the ecological benefits, speed, and safety of soda blasting, particularly its non-toxic nature compared to traditional sandblasting. Concerns are raised regarding the effectiveness of soda blasting on rust and the high costs associated with the equipment. Participants share insights on the practical applications of both methods, emphasizing that while soda blasting is suitable for delicate surfaces, sandblasting is more effective for aggressive rust removal. The conversation also touches on the importance of proper training and experience in the field, with some users advocating for hands-on work in sandblasting companies to gain practical knowledge.
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